Excellent Article On Racism
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David Kentley wrote:
Do you have an example that demonstrates this absurd assertion?
Firstly, i am not the one who made that assertion, it was in the article, but i do think an example how be where it is considered racist by the liberals to be against illegal immigration from mexico, because they are a differnet race. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Firstly, i am not the one who made that assertion, it was in the article
Thanks for making that more clear now. I hadn't read the article because it is blocked from work.
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i do think an example how be where it is considered racist by the liberals to be against illegal immigration from mexico, because they are a differnet race.
I consider myself to be a liberal. I'll just leave it at that for now. I don't personally believe being against illegal immigration means you're racist. That is a kneejerk reaction by some who believe the whole hubbub is racially motivated. And frankly, I'm sure it is a racial thing for some who are so upset about illegal immigrants. But bringing up race just raises passions that are better off left alone, by both sides. How this fits into the section of the article I quoted is beyond me though. Say I believe in relaxed immigration laws. How does that mean I am ignoring the interests my own race? My family isn't going to suddenly go *poof* and turn Mexican. Holy shit, my kids might actually get to play with hispanic kids at school, the tragedy! Hell, it's already begun: I had a burrito for lunch! Time to lighten the mood. This was a joke told by a Mexican-American coworker: "In Mexico, I was known as a Latin Lover. Now, I'm that fucking Mexican."
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I don't think racial profiling is necessarily bad. Especially when you're talking about inspecting people who are coming onto an airplane. However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched. I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
espeir wrote:
However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched.
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people - so since they cannot racially profile people, they need to do dummy checks on some whites and blacks too :-) Just a theory of course.
espeir wrote:
I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
Possibly true. Minorities are automatically defensive. Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once). Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'. :)
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As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once). Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'. :)
Rob Graham wrote:
As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once).
I meant just brown people. There aren't too many black/yellow terrorists in the world. So at airports, it's just the brown people who are suspected more than the others. Yellow/Black people are treated same as White people. :-)
Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'.
Yep - that's my theory too. The dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling :-) Regards, Nish
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so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
Mike Gaskey wrote:
so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong.
Jesus H. Christ. I actually agreed that the time for the things you listed has passed. But I also picked apart how it didn't answer my question. The original assertion that whites are being asked to ignore whites in order to support other races is pure hyperbole, and I couldn't let it to go unchallenged. Here's what it all comes down to for me: 1. There is no such thing as race. It is a scientifically invalid concept. (In other words: there is more variation within a so called "race" than there is between races, so there's no point in paying attention to race.) 2. Racists still exist. And you don't have to be white to be one. 3. Whites still have the power in this country, but then we are a mostly white country. Minorities used to have zero power, and this has changed dramatically through extraordinary efforts by people of all races. We are not there yet. (See #2.) 4. If given a level playing field, skewing things in favor for minorities only perpetuates inferiority. 5. When not given a level playing field, those who are in power and making the field unlevel should be forced to make it level. 6. If you believe everything is now on a level field for everybody, you live in a fantasy world.
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espeir wrote:
However, US airport security is supposedly not allowed to racially profile and I usually see whites being searched.
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people - so since they cannot racially profile people, they need to do dummy checks on some whites and blacks too :-) Just a theory of course.
espeir wrote:
I just think that whenever a racial minority endures the same thing everybody else does, they get the feeling that it's because they're a minority.
Possibly true. Minorities are automatically defensive. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people
I have been on many flights (mostly within the US only, as opposed to international) where only a couple of white passengers were selected for the extra search, and several brown skinned were ignored. Possibly you are just more aware of the times that someone of a racial profile similar to your own is selected. And, having been a target of the extra security (on both domestic and international flights), I can assure you that if it is 'just pretense', they do such a thorough job of 'pretending' that it is no less a hassle than whatever the 'real thing' might be.
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Rob Graham wrote:
As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once).
I meant just brown people. There aren't too many black/yellow terrorists in the world. So at airports, it's just the brown people who are suspected more than the others. Yellow/Black people are treated same as White people. :-)
Rob Graham wrote:
Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'.
Yep - that's my theory too. The dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
he dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling
I don't realy think there is any difference between the checks brown people are subjected to and the one's Ive experienced, at least judging by the description you gave...
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The whites being searched could be just a pretence. It's important to double check all brown people
I have been on many flights (mostly within the US only, as opposed to international) where only a couple of white passengers were selected for the extra search, and several brown skinned were ignored. Possibly you are just more aware of the times that someone of a racial profile similar to your own is selected. And, having been a target of the extra security (on both domestic and international flights), I can assure you that if it is 'just pretense', they do such a thorough job of 'pretending' that it is no less a hassle than whatever the 'real thing' might be.
Rob Graham wrote:
mostly within the US only, as opposed to international
Ah okay. Most of my US airport experiences have been international flights.
Rob Graham wrote:
I can assure you that if it is 'just pretense', they do such a thorough job of 'pretending' that it is no less a hassle than whatever the 'real thing' might be.
It's good to know that - not that I am happy you guys have to go through it too. But good that they (airport security) are being fair about it after all. Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
he dummy checks on non-browns are just to avoid accusations of racial profiling
I don't realy think there is any difference between the checks brown people are subjected to and the one's Ive experienced, at least judging by the description you gave...
Rob Graham wrote:
I don't realy think there is any difference between the checks brown people are subjected to and the one's Ive experienced, at least judging by the description you gave...
Okay - I got that now. BTW, I'd like to mention again that I am not complaining about this. I am quite happy with the way things are! And it's most likely that the one time I was pulled out (in Seattle), it had nothing to do with my color or race or country of origin. Regards, Nish
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong.
Jesus H. Christ. I actually agreed that the time for the things you listed has passed. But I also picked apart how it didn't answer my question. The original assertion that whites are being asked to ignore whites in order to support other races is pure hyperbole, and I couldn't let it to go unchallenged. Here's what it all comes down to for me: 1. There is no such thing as race. It is a scientifically invalid concept. (In other words: there is more variation within a so called "race" than there is between races, so there's no point in paying attention to race.) 2. Racists still exist. And you don't have to be white to be one. 3. Whites still have the power in this country, but then we are a mostly white country. Minorities used to have zero power, and this has changed dramatically through extraordinary efforts by people of all races. We are not there yet. (See #2.) 4. If given a level playing field, skewing things in favor for minorities only perpetuates inferiority. 5. When not given a level playing field, those who are in power and making the field unlevel should be forced to make it level. 6. If you believe everything is now on a level field for everybody, you live in a fantasy world.
David Kentley wrote:
Jesus H. Christ
I'm not sure you've the middle name correctly, but you're too touchy. I was referencing the 1 voters.
David Kentley wrote:
. There is no such thing as race
I would argue that the science be damned, the visual differences exist.
David Kentley wrote:
2. Racists still exist. And you don't have to be white to be one.
Absolutely true. "Man" typically dosn't trust / doesn't like / doesn't approve of anything that is different from him/her self.
David Kentley wrote:
3. Whites still have the power in this country
And I suspect it'll remain that way until: 1) minorities quit believing in racist hucksters 2) minorities focus on success and work towrds it - see Cosby dissertations on the subject.
David Kentley wrote:
If you believe everything is now on a level field for everybody, you live in a fantasy world.
I skipped 5. and 6. on purpose as this one is the essential point. To answer your fantasy world comment, there is, repeat, nothing you can do that will create the proverbial level playing field except to operate on the basis that it doesn't matter. If you tell me that you need a break because you're pink and pinks have been held down, I may on a conscious level do something but on a subconscious level, I'll resent it - perpetuating the problem. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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As an old white guy, I can assure you that that treatment is not restricted to brown/black/yellow skinned people. I've experienced the same "extra security" hassle (more than once). Actually, I suspect that they go a bit out of their way to try to avoid accusations of 'racial profiling'. :)
Rob Graham wrote:
As an old white guy
Darn. I've always pictured you in the 30-40 range. I just looked at your bio, and was blown away. :)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)The same was true when I lived in the Dommican Republic. I've even had a mother reply back that her child was too dark when I told her that she had a beautiful baby. I'd never expected that kind of response from a mother about her own child.
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The same was true when I lived in the Dommican Republic. I've even had a mother reply back that her child was too dark when I told her that she had a beautiful baby. I'd never expected that kind of response from a mother about her own child.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
The same was true when I lived in the Dommican Republic. I've even had a mother reply back that her child was too dark when I told her that she had a beautiful baby. I'd never expected that kind of response from a mother about her own child.
The same happens in India too - it does in my state anyway. Some parents give preference to fairer-skinned kids. Regards, Nish
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It's ok to dis white, just not black in today's world. It's not the abolition of racism, but rather a socially acceptable strike back for the oppression of the black man and women of the past. As long it's ok to say lines in movies like "that little dumb white boy" but not "that little dumb black boy", racism still exists. And it will always exist until we see every other person has human and not black, white, olive or whatever. But, as human nature will suggest that will not happen on a larger scale until there's a greater threat to mankind, like an alien species. Only then will we unite, this is what history has taught me. In the US, it'll take a black man to help rid us of this I think. If a white does, it's always racism. That's one reason I like the Chapelle's show (if you've ever seen it). It's a black guy making fun of all the racist stupidity, and at this point in time only a black person would be allowed to do this. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's one reason I like the Chapelle's show (if you've ever seen it). It's a black guy making fun of all the racist stupidity, and at this point in time only a black person would be allowed to do this.
That's one of the things I liked about Chepelle's show. Perhaps if some white comedian started making fun of whites in the same way (ie: calling himself and other whites 'cracker') then he would be allowed to also mock other races... and eventually all whites would be able to do the same.
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Before talking about racism, people should wear brown-skinned makeup, and go through any North American airport customs :-) Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I wonder why that is. I mean, over here I think it's due to our history and slavery, etc. all mixed into the loop. But oever there I would think it didn't matter.
For some reason, most Indians ended up with a "lighter colored skin means more beautiful" idea implanted into their brains. Some of our top actresses are mostly indistinguishable from white women - they even color their hair blonde or brown! Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
or some reason, most Indians ended up with a "lighter colored skin means more beautiful" idea implanted into their brains.
A legacy of the British Empire?
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http://www.secondamendment.net/whatisracism.html[^] Quote From Article: Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than they love their neighbors, but this does not mean they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They wish only to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies. What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist." What, then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of peoplehood that have defined nations since the beginning of history--but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind
At this point, this article is racist. There are plenty of white people who are not 'my kind'. I can think of plenty of people with dark skin who I regard as 'my kind'. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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http://www.secondamendment.net/whatisracism.html[^] Quote From Article: Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than they love their neighbors, but this does not mean they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They wish only to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies. What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist." What, then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of peoplehood that have defined nations since the beginning of history--but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
Racism is looking at a Black person and say "they are different to me". Why do people have to be white Americans or Black Americans. Why cant you look at a Black person and say "there goes my American brother"? Your background does not define you as a person. You poor little hate filled person. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
or some reason, most Indians ended up with a "lighter colored skin means more beautiful" idea implanted into their brains.
A legacy of the British Empire?
It's probably a legacy from so far back in time, the brits still hadn't been conquered by the romans. :)
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All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind
At this point, this article is racist. There are plenty of white people who are not 'my kind'. I can think of plenty of people with dark skin who I regard as 'my kind'. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
At this point, this article is racist. There are plenty of white people who are not 'my kind'. I can think of plenty of people with dark skin who I regard as 'my kind'.
Well said.:rose: John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine