Excellent Article On Racism
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
so there you go. a question is asked, answered - but since it wasn't politically correct it is wrong.
Jesus H. Christ. I actually agreed that the time for the things you listed has passed. But I also picked apart how it didn't answer my question. The original assertion that whites are being asked to ignore whites in order to support other races is pure hyperbole, and I couldn't let it to go unchallenged. Here's what it all comes down to for me: 1. There is no such thing as race. It is a scientifically invalid concept. (In other words: there is more variation within a so called "race" than there is between races, so there's no point in paying attention to race.) 2. Racists still exist. And you don't have to be white to be one. 3. Whites still have the power in this country, but then we are a mostly white country. Minorities used to have zero power, and this has changed dramatically through extraordinary efforts by people of all races. We are not there yet. (See #2.) 4. If given a level playing field, skewing things in favor for minorities only perpetuates inferiority. 5. When not given a level playing field, those who are in power and making the field unlevel should be forced to make it level. 6. If you believe everything is now on a level field for everybody, you live in a fantasy world.
David Kentley wrote:
The original assertion that whites are being asked to ignore whites in order to support other races is pure hyperbole
No that was not the original assertion.
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They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
"devote themselves". Here is more:
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whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism.
pure rubbish the lot of it. The laws, right or wrong, work or don't work, are intended to stop racism period. It is inteded to stop someone from discriminating against someone one on the basis of race period. All that shit from that article is just retarded. Say the laws are wrong, don't work, never did. I have no problem with that but that crap article is just hysterical nazi garbage.
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
Colin Angus Mackay in the C# forumled mike
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NASCAR?
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Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race How could you be racist based on sex, sexual preference, or age? That would make no sense. As far as bigoted, i dont see how you could be bigoted against someone based on age or sex, but i do not like homosexuals. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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i dont see how you could be bigoted against someone based on age or sex
:wtf: Surely you must have meant something else, right? :)
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
Colin Angus Mackay in the C# forumled mike
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It's probably a legacy from so far back in time, the brits still hadn't been conquered by the romans. :)
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That must be the first time something hasn't been blamed on colonialism...;P
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Touché!
BTW, I wasn't complaining. I am happy that they double-check all brown skinned people. I mean, if I am gonna fly in that plane, I'd be happier to know they've reduced chances of some potential terrorist walking in with a bomb strapped to himself/herself. But sometimes it's a little annoying. Last MVP summit, there were some 10-12 of us awaiting to board the plane in Seattle. Me, and one other MVP (again Indian) were asked to pull out of the queue, we were taken to another room, they asked us a few basic questions like where we are going, finger printed us, and then let us board the plane. They were very polite, and almost apologetic that we didn't feel insulted or anything. But it was a little odd to go through that. Again, I understand why they do it. There are more brown skinned terrorists than there are white/black ones. So they are just being extra careful - which is good for all of us. Oh well! It's something I have got used to (and most other Indians and Pakistanis too I guess). Regards, Nish
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's one reason I like the Chapelle's show (if you've ever seen it). It's a black guy making fun of all the racist stupidity, and at this point in time only a black person would be allowed to do this.
That's one of the things I liked about Chepelle's show. Perhaps if some white comedian started making fun of whites in the same way (ie: calling himself and other whites 'cracker') then he would be allowed to also mock other races... and eventually all whites would be able to do the same.
Maybe like Jeff Foxworthy?[^]
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Before talking about racism, people should wear brown-skinned makeup, and go through any North American airport customs :-) Regards, Nish
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Josh Gray wrote:
Racism is looking at a Black person and say "they are different to me". Why do people have to be white Americans or Black Americans. Why cant you look at a Black person and say "there goes my American brother"? Your background does not define you as a person. You poor little hate filled person.
Most white Americans have bent over backwards to achieve that. As with most things (Muslims for example) we aren't the ones who need the lectures. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
we aren't the ones who need the lectures.
Pehaps not but in the Soapbox they are free so you can't really complain. :-D
Stan Shannon wrote:
Most white Americans have bent over backwards to achieve that.
That statement is totally unprovable and certainly arguable so what is the use of it? I still have living relatives of the previous generation that are complete bigots and treat anyone that is not white like they are a piece of trash. I won't put up with it. Mostly I avoid them entirely. Once at a large family barbeque an uncle started in with his racist crap knowing my objection to it. I told him he was a fucking idiot and left. Later some other relatives told me I was too harsh cause of his age etc., I said "bullshit". Keep in mind my family is NOT from the south.
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
Colin Angus Mackay in the C# forumled mike
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espeir wrote:
I disagree that had anything to do with racial profiling. My wife (who is white as snow with a slight southern accent) had the same thing done in a random check in Chicago last year. She wasn't finger printed, but she's also an American citizen.
Well - there were about a dozen of us - and they did pick the only two non-white ones. I am not complaining about it as I understand why this is being done. Racial profiling is not necessarily a bad thing, if done in a non-racist manner (which was how it was for me in this incident I am talking about). Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
and they did pick the only two non-white ones.
I'm white, blue eyes, middle aged, native US citizen, and I get busted out of the lines all the time. Once in Cincinnati, two TSA officers practically strip searched me within view of each other to get onto one plane. Of course, now with Dub reading my posts here, I can expect more of it. :mad: The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I dont think any group deserve a lecure more than others
Well I do. White America can only give so much. It is precisely the same situation with Muslims. The 'nicer' you try to be to accomodate modern sensibilities the more empowered the agrieved populations are to take advantage of that attempt at rectifying past injustice. For example, blacks murdering whites is never characterized as a 'hate' crime. A white killing a black always is. I'm expected to cooperate with a system that puts me and my family at a serious legal disadvantage. If I chose to oppose such a system, I'm a racist. From my perspective its a lose-lose situation. Mouthing grand sounding new-age platitudes might make some left-leaning individuals feel more morally secure but it doesn't begin to address the reality of the situation. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
or example, blacks murdering whites is never characterized as a 'hate' crime. A white killing a black always is
Because your society is obsessed with race. Here we would call it one Australian killing another. If someone grafities a church with "death to cristians" its called a hate crime Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race How could you be racist based on sex, sexual preference, or age? That would make no sense. As far as bigoted, i dont see how you could be bigoted against someone based on age or sex, but i do not like homosexuals. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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How could you be racist based on sex, sexual preference, or age? That would make no sense.
You are stupid. Read what I said... Do you think you are racist or bigoted in other ways? Racism is bigitory based on race, sexism is bigitory based on sex etc etc
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i do not like homosexuals
Why? Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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Maybe like Jeff Foxworthy?[^]
You might be a redneck if you post a link to Jeff Foxworthy.. :P :laugh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yup, and while I understand the lashing out, I just don't think we are taking a step in the right direction.
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head* In newspaper ads (arranged marriages), parents of brides usually say something like "prospective grooms invites for white-skinned young beautiful girl of 23 years..." They say "white" skinned - sometimes "fair skinned" etc. And we had TV ads for cosmetic cream that's supposed to make girls get lighter color skin. The ad shows how a girl is rejected by a guy cause she is dark. Later she uses the cream, becomes lighter in color, and the guy is shown running after her. That was one helluva color-racist ad I would say - but no one complained :-) Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
What's most ironic is that in countries like India, where people have skin color varying from really dark (as dark as an african american) to really light (can be mistaken for a white caucasian), there's this big demand for women who are lighter skinned. *shakes head*
It's the same in Thailand. The women I met out there go to great lengths to stay well out of the sun, and just can't understand all those weird westerners who strive to do the exact opposite. It's all to do with trying to make yourself appear distinctive within your own environment I suppose. Remember men find the exotic attractive - which most likely accounts for all the attention I received from guys in Thailand while I was there! ;) Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
actually an example of the white man punishing himself for the guilt of being white
Mike I must say after reading your posts for some months now I am surprised to see you say something that is so patently false and inflammatory (espeiresque :laugh:). Are you Trolling? The natural extension of guilt for being white would be whites whishing they were not white but some other ethnicity. How many whites do you suppose feel that way, out of guilt? I know there are some in our youth culture but they are ignorant and wish it because they think it would be cool not out of guilt. If some whites feel guilty about history that is not the same thing. Personally I don't and am thankful that I am white. Certainly I wish that nasty part of our history had not happened but it did and racism still exists and I wish it didn't. None of that makes me feel guilty for "being white" and no one else should either. Perhaps there are some "whites" that are feeling guilty because they know they are racists. That I can believe. The legislation is, should be, an attempt to curb racism that still exists not punish whites or make them feel guilty. I am not supporting the legislation or claiming it works well or that it does not create reverse injustice, just pointing out the intent.
"Just about every question you've asked over the last 3-4 days has been "urgent". Perhaps a little planning would be helpful?"
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led mike wrote:
Are you Trolling?
to some extent, yes.
led mike wrote:
How many whites do you suppose feel that way, out of guilt?
I'm not sure but I believe it is this that allows the likes of Jesse Jackson to operate with little or no criticism. It allows for support of the items I raised earlier in the thread. Without the under tone of guilt (and there may be a better word) we would eschew affirmative action, racial preferences, etc. - which I believe perpetuate, not correct, attitudes of the past - at this point in our history I believe we're past the need for this sort of thing. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon A vegan is someone who never heard a carrot cry!
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espeir wrote:
Your background is what develops your character and defines you as a quality or a worthless person.
Rubbish. Your actions do. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
By background I meant events that have occurred in your life. That's what develops character (and determines the actions you choose to take in life).
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http://www.secondamendment.net/whatisracism.html[^] Quote From Article: Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than they love their neighbors, but this does not mean they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They wish only to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies. What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist." What, then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of peoplehood that have defined nations since the beginning of history--but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than they love their neighbors, but this does not mean they hate their neighbors
That completely overlooks the existence of interracial marriage. josh
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JCParker wrote:
There is only one race that matters.
The race of hot chicks? :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
The race of hot chicks? :rolleyes:
You better not be looking at Leckie. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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That must be the first time something hasn't been blamed on colonialism...;P
Of course, the Brits should've corrected the Indians while they were there...
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All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind
At this point, this article is racist. There are plenty of white people who are not 'my kind'. I can think of plenty of people with dark skin who I regard as 'my kind'. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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How could you be racist based on sex, sexual preference, or age? That would make no sense.
You are stupid. Read what I said... Do you think you are racist or bigoted in other ways? Racism is bigitory based on race, sexism is bigitory based on sex etc etc
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i do not like homosexuals
Why? Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
Josh Gray wrote:
Why?
Because they act like too much like Europeans. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir