Quotes for the day
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control.
Sedetion. The man should be arrested. "You get that which you tolerate"
Who is hiding Stan's meds again. Please put them back...
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control.
Sedetion. The man should be arrested. "You get that which you tolerate"
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control.
Sedetion. The man should be arrested. "You get that which you tolerate"
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"Noam Chomsky is the leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control. But he will not be bullied. He will not be intimidated. He is a fearless, formidable, totally independent voice. He does something which is really quite simple, but highly unusual. He tells the truth." (Source : Harold Pinter - Nobel Peace Prize for Literature 2005 - at St Paul's Cathedral, December 9 2002, to mark the 10th Anniversary of the Kurdish Human Rights Project) "Whether human beings have a future is not obvious. The answer will lie in the population dedicated to Values...community, solidarity, concern for a fragile environment that will have to sustain future generations, creative work under voluntary control, independent thought, and true democratic participation in varied aspects of life...In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than values to be treasured - they may well be essential to survival." (Source : "Chomsky and 3 Values for Survival", The Cyril Joad Society Christmas Lecturette, December 10 2005, Ifield West Community Centre, Gatwick, England)
But if you strategically ignore the terms "independent thought", "democracy", and "freedom", you'll see the word "community", obviously indicating that the man is a communist, and therefore an enemy of the state. Right Stan? Espeir?
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"Noam Chomsky is the leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control. But he will not be bullied. He will not be intimidated. He is a fearless, formidable, totally independent voice. He does something which is really quite simple, but highly unusual. He tells the truth." (Source : Harold Pinter - Nobel Peace Prize for Literature 2005 - at St Paul's Cathedral, December 9 2002, to mark the 10th Anniversary of the Kurdish Human Rights Project) "Whether human beings have a future is not obvious. The answer will lie in the population dedicated to Values...community, solidarity, concern for a fragile environment that will have to sustain future generations, creative work under voluntary control, independent thought, and true democratic participation in varied aspects of life...In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than values to be treasured - they may well be essential to survival." (Source : "Chomsky and 3 Values for Survival", The Cyril Joad Society Christmas Lecturette, December 10 2005, Ifield West Community Centre, Gatwick, England)
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
leading critical voice against the criminal regime now running the United States; a regime which is in fact a dangerous monster out of control.
Sedetion. The man should be arrested. "You get that which you tolerate"
Your misspelling obfuscates your meaning, Stan. Are you accusing Chomsky of sedition, or requesting sedation for yourself?
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Now I bet if the government was raising taxes you'd be the first to call it "a dangerous monster out of control".
Wjousts wrote:
Now I bet if the government was raising taxes you'd be the first to call it "a dangerous monster out of control".
And I would be rigth! But I would also expect the IRS to violate my 4th amendment rights as it so frequently does to others. But that itsn't sedition, it is just dissent. Similar attacks on the commander in chief are in a completely differnt category. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Wjousts wrote:
Now I bet if the government was raising taxes you'd be the first to call it "a dangerous monster out of control".
And I would be rigth! But I would also expect the IRS to violate my 4th amendment rights as it so frequently does to others. But that itsn't sedition, it is just dissent. Similar attacks on the commander in chief are in a completely differnt category. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Wjousts wrote:
Now I bet if the government was raising taxes you'd be the first to call it "a dangerous monster out of control".
And I would be rigth! But I would also expect the IRS to violate my 4th amendment rights as it so frequently does to others. But that itsn't sedition, it is just dissent. Similar attacks on the commander in chief are in a completely differnt category. "You get that which you tolerate"
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In free democratic societies it is not considered sedition to stage peaceful protest or to call for or attempt regime change through democratic means. If it were considered to be sedition, then there would be no legal means through which people could effect change in their government when either the electoral system fails or when the electoral system is not sufficient by itself to address the matter at hand - and therefore, it would no longer be a truly democratic system.
No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces. Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished. Cheers A Silver bullet, A Gold Bullet, and A Lead Bullet, which is for you?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Similar attacks on the commander in chief are in a completely differnt category.
So if George Bush said he wanted to raise taxes then you'd keep quiet?
I would support him, but I wouldn't vote for him. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Similar attacks on the commander in chief are in a completely differnt category.
Are you saying he should have special protection against criticism?
J. Dunlap wrote:
Are you saying he should have special protection against criticism?
Yes. "You get that which you tolerate"
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No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces. Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished. Cheers A Silver bullet, A Gold Bullet, and A Lead Bullet, which is for you?
JCParker wrote:
No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces. Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished.
Thats what I've been waiting to hear! "You get that which you tolerate"
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JCParker wrote:
No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces. Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished.
Thats what I've been waiting to hear! "You get that which you tolerate"
Once the majority of your democratic citizenry has reach the entitlement mentality, your system is doomed to failure through democratic means. I've seen better runs in my shorts! - Patches O'Houlihan
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Are you saying he should have special protection against criticism?
Yes. "You get that which you tolerate"
Perhaps a new cabinet position of "Criticism Czar". He could head up the "War on Criticism".
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Plus Chomsky makes a damn fine dollar off his form of pacifism.
“Profanity is the attempt of a lazy and feeble mind to express itself forcefully”
Jerry Hammond wrote:
Chomsky makes a damn fine dollar off his form of pacifism
Pacifism == Capitalism?
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No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces. Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished. Cheers A Silver bullet, A Gold Bullet, and A Lead Bullet, which is for you?
JCParker wrote:
No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces.
That is not a legal means - it is not within the law. Any free democratic society will provide its citizens with legal means with which to effect change in the governmental structure. Revolution causes chaos and a host of problems. Violent revolution causes much destruction and suffering. Why should it have to come to that?
JCParker wrote:
Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished.
Are you saying that it's acceptable or even good for people to slaughter the people who they deem to be idiots and then replace the government by force, when they think things have gone too far? :confused:
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Are you saying he should have special protection against criticism?
Yes. "You get that which you tolerate"
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<sarcasm> Poor thing - he probably needs it! Hearing all them facts told by his constituents is really making him squirm! </sarcasm> I have to conclude, Stan, that freedom of speech is not something that you believe in. :sigh:
J. Dunlap wrote:
I have to conclude, Stan, that freedom of speech is not something that you believe in.
I neither suicidal nor religious about it if thats what you mean. "You get that which you tolerate"
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JCParker wrote:
No there is always revolution to change a government, sometimes from within other times as a result of outside forces.
That is not a legal means - it is not within the law. Any free democratic society will provide its citizens with legal means with which to effect change in the governmental structure. Revolution causes chaos and a host of problems. Violent revolution causes much destruction and suffering. Why should it have to come to that?
JCParker wrote:
Besides there are times when it is not the government which fails but the people who put the idiots in to run it, in the first place who need to be culled from the herd and the process of goverment reestablished.
Are you saying that it's acceptable or even good for people to slaughter the people who they deem to be idiots and then replace the government by force, when they think things have gone too far? :confused:
Because if the criticisms of Bush are valid, than they are idicative of a systemic failure of our very system of government. How can such problems be fixed democratically? Elect who ever you like, the problems will remain. That is what all of the Bush critics can't quite seem to comprehend. "You get that which you tolerate"