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You just won the longest post award. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
Hockey wrote:
But rather...I am very accustomed to having people contact me...ask millions of questions, requesting a quote (which takes me a good deal of time) and then never getting anything for it...because they used what I gave them to find someone cheaper...
You need to change your tactics then. I don't know much about being in business for myself, but I do know people from picking up women. Don't say too much (which sounds like what you are doing) up front. Say just enough and leave them curious. And let them know why you are the guy to go to, but do so with with your know-how rather than downplayiing others (that's too obvious). Also, people are put off by too many price tags. If they have to pay you before they even get to find out if your worth their money, it's not going to happen. So, you start learning better ways to interface with customers and improve upon your weaknesses rather than hiding behind them by charging first.
Hockey wrote:
So IMHO...I'm pretty darn experienced...
Nothing wrong with being confident. But, myself and some savy employers have seen rookies always saying crap like they know 30 languages just because they studied each of them for like 45mins one day and saw some code. Don't act like you know something if you don't know it well. Let the customer know that no matter the question, you have an answer (if it's related to your field). Just don't give them too much info before you get a deal. Leave the mystery there so that have something that will help draw them to you. A mixture of curiosity (like how does this guy know this) and confidence (this guy is great) is a very powerful combination. Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
Oh and remember, sales is about selling yourself moreso than your work. If they don't like you they won't buy from you. That's just a fact of life. [edit] Not to say you're being mean to them, just fyi. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
And I voted a 5 btw, because someone downvoted this and just don't see why. It's long (I mean, really really long ;P), but I didn't find it offensive or bad. Jeremy Falcon
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And I voted a 5 btw, because someone downvoted this and just don't see why. It's long (I mean, really really long ;P), but I didn't find it offensive or bad. Jeremy Falcon
That has to be the most answers to the same post by the same person ever :)
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That has to be the most answers to the same post by the same person ever :)
It's probably obvious by now I'm bored. :laugh: I studied for 18 hours straight yesterday, and I'm not sure I want to get back into the grind again just yet. Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
Hockey, I actually read your whole post. It seems that you are not in the best of positions career-wise at the moment, but you certainly seem to have the confidence required to better your lot in life. If your dev skills are as up to par as you say they are, then I don't see why you couldn't get a full-time dev job with a real company (assuming that's what you want). Sure, your resume might not glitter, but you probably don't want to work for a company which sees the resume and not the person who wrote it, anyways. I'm sure if you hustled for a job, and perhaps were willing to move or commute, you'd be able to find a good gig...provided that you don't have a detestable personality, horrible breath, [edit]serious criminal record, propensity toward violence, racial slurs tatooed on your forehead :) ,[/edit] etc. Good luck, Josh -- modified at 15:00 Friday 30th June, 2006
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
I have been looking for several years and I finally, finally got involved with a reputable recruiting firm. Sure they make a pretty penny of every hour I work but so do I. They find the work, do the paper work, and then tell me to do it. I could get double the rate myself if I gathered the work on my own but hey you have to focus on what you are good at. Also, if you want consulting work, focus on a buzzword. I have plenty of C/C++/MFC/ATL and winsocks under my belt but no one wants it. Now when I mention 3+ years of C# and Web Services they drool. In a year or two it will be a new one. Also, I work "slightly" more than 3 days a week. "Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage" -- Jean Anouilh
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You just won the longest post award. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You just won the longest post award.
I got lost about half way through :laugh:
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You just won the longest post award. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
Thank you *takes a bow* I get that at a few places I visit :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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Oh and remember, sales is about selling yourself moreso than your work. If they don't like you they won't buy from you. That's just a fact of life. [edit] Not to say you're being mean to them, just fyi. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
Thats my biggest problem... I've realized this for years...but it's difficult to make the transition from developer to businessman as they are very different skillsets... It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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You just won the longest post award. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You just won the longest post award.
Dang... that was almost as long as my longest poem... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
Hockey wrote:
Basically I programmed and recorded my hours and sent the guy my bill every week 15 USD/hour at a time the Canadian $$$ was low so it was about 22/hour which was good...but all good things come to an end and that expired...
Not bad considering you don't have a college education. You stated you only have a 10th or 11th grade education.
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And I voted a 5 btw, because someone downvoted this and just don't see why. It's long (I mean, really really long ;P), but I didn't find it offensive or bad. Jeremy Falcon
It's all good... I don't mind positive or constructive criticism...i'm all about chnage... The idea of posting this message was to see what kind of feedback I was going to get good or bad... I wasn't looking for any particular answer :) Thanks for the 5 anyways though :) Truely I didn't mean to offend anyone...or toot my horn...I simply wanted to give those who thought I was a scoundrel another perspective... Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=1555326#xx1555326xx[^] Why I have I chosen to create a new post...I felt it important that everyone that laughed at me had a better understanding of where I was coming from... :-D Perhaps it's my fault for not fully explaing in the first place... I chose Marc's post because...well...it was the biggest kick in the junk...sucks being called down by someone you respect... I'm gonna have to start calling Marc my Dad :P But that's a whole different can of worms ain't it??? :) My history (queue epic theme music): ==================================== I started programming at a very early age (nothing new I know a handfull of guys my age who did the same) and have therefore accumulated a vast amount of experience...covering everything from low level to high level...from desktop to web development...I am interested and very passionate about almost everything computers and being single and living at home with the parents I can afford to spend a great deal of time doing what I do best...learning new stuff...and tinkering with ideas, etc... I am currently employed at a minimum wage job delivering auto parts...as there are few programming jobs in my city...especially those which are worth my time and effort...I'm not complaining...I'm just saying... So if you feel the need to yell at me and say something like: "Move to another city" hold your breathe... I can't do anything if it doesn't make me happy...maintaining garbage scripts, etc...doesn't appeal to me...so despite better pay...I'd be as miserable doing that living on my own as I am living at home with my parents...but at least here I still have flexibility..which makes me happy... I dropped out of school, not to smoke pot in the hockey bleachers...but to read books on programming and study becoming a pilot (my original intent in life was to be a fighter pilot) of course...nothing ever turns out quite as expected... :P I drive my delivery truck *really* fast to compensate for my lack of fast flying...but only on desserted roads so no one is put at risk but me - don't worry MADD :) Around 5-6 years ago...I started thinking maybe I could make a living at programming...seeing how...well it's all I've done everyday of my life since I was about 7 or 8 years old...and despite not having a
Just out of curiosity, why won't you get your high school equivalency diploma? If you're as sharp as you say you are, you'll have no problem doing it. Plus, that'll probably get the old man off your back for a while. Jon Sagara When I grow up, I'm changing my name to Joe Kickass! My Site | My Blog | My Articles
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Hockey, I actually read your whole post. It seems that you are not in the best of positions career-wise at the moment, but you certainly seem to have the confidence required to better your lot in life. If your dev skills are as up to par as you say they are, then I don't see why you couldn't get a full-time dev job with a real company (assuming that's what you want). Sure, your resume might not glitter, but you probably don't want to work for a company which sees the resume and not the person who wrote it, anyways. I'm sure if you hustled for a job, and perhaps were willing to move or commute, you'd be able to find a good gig...provided that you don't have a detestable personality, horrible breath, [edit]serious criminal record, propensity toward violence, racial slurs tatooed on your forehead :) ,[/edit] etc. Good luck, Josh -- modified at 15:00 Friday 30th June, 2006
Josh Smith wrote:
If your dev skills are as up to par as you say they are, then I don't see why you couldn't get a full-time dev job with a real company
I wouldn't mind...but it would have to be doing something I enjoyed...otherwise there is no point... I've slowly lost interest in C++ development and only keep interested because the language itself is so damn cool and some of the libraries like Spirit just amaze me... PHP is it for me...or at least web development...but using C++ practically for web development is almost out of the question... I want to pursue a consultant position only because the flexibility it would afford me... Different projects every month or so... Instead of being stuck improving a project which I don't even believe in... I'll see where this consultant thing takes me...and maybe just get my answering machine to record messages and I can call them back on my land line instead of my cell phone :) Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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I have been looking for several years and I finally, finally got involved with a reputable recruiting firm. Sure they make a pretty penny of every hour I work but so do I. They find the work, do the paper work, and then tell me to do it. I could get double the rate myself if I gathered the work on my own but hey you have to focus on what you are good at. Also, if you want consulting work, focus on a buzzword. I have plenty of C/C++/MFC/ATL and winsocks under my belt but no one wants it. Now when I mention 3+ years of C# and Web Services they drool. In a year or two it will be a new one. Also, I work "slightly" more than 3 days a week. "Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage" -- Jean Anouilh
Heres the thing... I rather enjoy other aspects of consultancy...making contacts (although I have to get over this fear of calling people) thinking of new ideas, etc... I enjoy everything and therefore...working 3 days a week...wouldn't even be an option for me... If i'm not doing something and feel productive...I get very depressed...I don't *relax* very well... I dunno...like I said...i'll see what happens with this consultancy bit...and in the process start working on a new project to showcase... Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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It's probably obvious by now I'm bored. :laugh: I studied for 18 hours straight yesterday, and I'm not sure I want to get back into the grind again just yet. Jeremy Falcon
that's ok, it's Friday :) Only posted this because your initial Holy Crap really made me laugh
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Josh Smith wrote:
If your dev skills are as up to par as you say they are, then I don't see why you couldn't get a full-time dev job with a real company
I wouldn't mind...but it would have to be doing something I enjoyed...otherwise there is no point... I've slowly lost interest in C++ development and only keep interested because the language itself is so damn cool and some of the libraries like Spirit just amaze me... PHP is it for me...or at least web development...but using C++ practically for web development is almost out of the question... I want to pursue a consultant position only because the flexibility it would afford me... Different projects every month or so... Instead of being stuck improving a project which I don't even believe in... I'll see where this consultant thing takes me...and maybe just get my answering machine to record messages and I can call them back on my land line instead of my cell phone :) Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
I wouldn't mind...but it would have to be doing something I enjoyed...otherwise there is no point...
No matter what type of gig you get, you'll never enjoy it all the time. There will be some days/weeks that just suck. Show me someone who claims to love every day of his/her work, and I'll show you a liar. :)
Hockey wrote:
I want to pursue a consultant position only because the flexibility it would afford me... Different projects every month or so...
Oh no, my friend! Not necessarily! I'm a consultant and have been on the same project for 7 months, with another many more months left on my contract. Being a consultant doesn't guarantee anything, except that you will work your butt off (and make good money). If I were you, the main thing I'd focus on is beefing up my skill set so that my strong points are the things most in demand. Learn C#. Learn ASP.NET. If you are of the ilk, learn VB.NET. There are tons of old-schoolers out there cranking out PHP and the like. There's not much of a future in old technologies (I can feel the flames coming already :~ ). That's just my 2 cents, though. Josh
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Just out of curiosity, why won't you get your high school equivalency diploma? If you're as sharp as you say you are, you'll have no problem doing it. Plus, that'll probably get the old man off your back for a while. Jon Sagara When I grow up, I'm changing my name to Joe Kickass! My Site | My Blog | My Articles
I tried several times... I don't learn well in group settings...I get easily distracted... Second...I'm no longer interested...I mean...I know where I stand and i'm 27 years old...high school is a little late as I would be 30ish before I got into post secondary... Third, I looked into writting first/second year challenge exam for computer science...thing is...I would need money to take the exam and money to buy some of the course material (books)... I cannot afford to do this and my Dad won't help... Besides he doesn't care about my education anymore either... It's not really a problem either...as I am sure I could convince someone I'm capable...I have applications, articles, source code and code snippets to prove my skillset in many different languages and technologies... It's more of a lack of connections or business know how thats stopping me from getting anywhere... Cheers :) It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!