Visual Source Safe
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Hi CPians, My department contemplates buying VSS as source control tool. What do you think about it, and what would you see as the best source control tool ? ~RaGE();
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I've been using it since its inception. It does what we need it to do. Other folks have different requirements and thus it may not be the right tool for the job.
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Hi CPians, My department contemplates buying VSS as source control tool. What do you think about it, and what would you see as the best source control tool ? ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Best I have used is VSTS. VSS is fine, despite all the whining from the CVS weenies. I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box. I hear subversion is a good tool, however, and it is free. I doubt it integrates with your IDE, tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Rage wrote:
My department contemplates buying VSS as source control tool. What do you think about it
Visual SourceUnsafe? Stay well away. If you do use it, do backups every few seconds, as it will randomly corrupt its own database and you'll lose all your data...
Rage wrote:
what would you see as the best source control tool ?
Use either Subversion or Perforce. We're choosing between these two at work at the moment, moving away from RCS and Visual SourceUnsafe.
Ryan
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Ryan Binns wrote:
If you do use it, do backups every few seconds, as it will randomly corrupt its own database and you'll lose all your data...
Rubbish - I have used VSS for years. If this is your experience, you're doing it wrong. VSS is not perfect ( using it over a modem is hell ), but I've NEVER lost data from a VSS database. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Best I have used is VSTS. VSS is fine, despite all the whining from the CVS weenies. I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box. I hear subversion is a good tool, however, and it is free. I doubt it integrates with your IDE, tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Much agreement here. I've not had any problems with VSS but I am looking to migrate to VSTS: primarily the integration of tasks, builds and source control into one. 'Howard
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Rage wrote:
My department contemplates buying VSS as source control tool. What do you think about it
Visual SourceUnsafe? Stay well away. If you do use it, do backups every few seconds, as it will randomly corrupt its own database and you'll lose all your data...
Rage wrote:
what would you see as the best source control tool ?
Use either Subversion or Perforce. We're choosing between these two at work at the moment, moving away from RCS and Visual SourceUnsafe.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
do backups every few seconds
Of course, if you do that, pretty soon you'll be backing up a corrupted database ;P
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Best I have used is VSTS. VSS is fine, despite all the whining from the CVS weenies. I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box. I hear subversion is a good tool, however, and it is free. I doubt it integrates with your IDE, tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Ryan Binns wrote:
If you do use it, do backups every few seconds, as it will randomly corrupt its own database and you'll lose all your data...
Rubbish - I have used VSS for years. If this is your experience, you're doing it wrong. VSS is not perfect ( using it over a modem is hell ), but I've NEVER lost data from a VSS database. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
but I've NEVER lost data from a VSS database.
It gets worse the larger the db gets. Jeremy Falcon
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Best I have used is VSTS. VSS is fine, despite all the whining from the CVS weenies. I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box. I hear subversion is a good tool, however, and it is free. I doubt it integrates with your IDE, tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box.
VB works quicker than C++ out of the box too. Jeremy Falcon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I challenge anyone to make CVS work as quickly as VSS does, out of the box.
VB works quicker than C++ out of the box too. Jeremy Falcon
ROTFL - good point. I don't think CVS rewards the learning curve as C++ does tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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You are working alone, Christian, aren't you ? I heard handling multiple users at the same time seems a pretty tough job for VSS. ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Actually VSTS is the only product I use alone. I use VSS with Nish now, and have used it in a number of teams of various sizes. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Christian Graus wrote:
but I've NEVER lost data from a VSS database.
It gets worse the larger the db gets. Jeremy Falcon
How big does it have to be ? I worked in a company of 50 devs for 5 years, all our projects were in one VSS database, which was a fair size when I started. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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ROTFL - good point. I don't think CVS rewards the learning curve as C++ does tho. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't think CVS rewards the learning curve as C++ does tho.
I still haven't used it. Although, I think I'm gonna give perforce a go. My main thing is I want VS integration; I've been too spoiled by it. Jeremy Falcon
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How big does it have to be ? I worked in a company of 50 devs for 5 years, all our projects were in one VSS database, which was a fair size when I started. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
How big does it have to be ?
I would think that would be large enough, provided there was years worth of data. And I'm sure there could've been other factors involved too. But, in my experience, VSS started choking the most with largers DBs. In my personal use at home I haven't had any issues that I recall. The first thing that happened with VSS is it started slowing down. The next thing was flags weren't be seting properly (checked in, out, etc.). Fortunately, we have had corrupted data (outside of the flags of course). Jeremy Falcon
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Not really. Stick with tortoise. regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Ankh is one of the test solutions we use for regression testing Visual Lint, and boy does it come up with some weird issues. ;) Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Ankh is one of the test solutions we use for regression testing Visual Lint, and boy does it come up with some weird issues. ;) Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
hehe yeah. Even uninstalling Ankh is a mission. They tell you to reset the VS environment which basically nukes all your other settings too. Not the greatest add-in for VS ever made. regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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You are working alone, Christian, aren't you ? I heard handling multiple users at the same time seems a pretty tough job for VSS. ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Not necessarily. VSS is fine for most uses, but if you don't analyse/fix the database regularly it will bite you. That aside, the UI is easy to use and intuitive (not brilliant by any means - the reporting is crap, for example) and largely project orientated. It also integrates reasonably well with Visual Studio and its automatic merge is generally trouble free. Its worst points are poor support for branch/merge operations, no support for changesets/atomic checkins and woeful remote access capability (though that's supposed to be improved in VS2005. I've not tried it yet). Its silly little ideosyncrasies include renaming a file in a development branch affecting all pinned copies of the file in release branches (nasty!) and being unable to branch a pinned file when someone else has a more recent one checked out elseware. It's big advantage is of course that most people get it via MSDN anyway. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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marcdev wrote:
My one is TortoiseCVS + CVSNT
Haven't used CVSNT at all so i can't compare but i am pretty satisfied with SVN.
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In the company that I work, we use CVS ... but, we're thinking about change to SVN, because we believe it's better ... In my house I just have SVN and i am very happy! :) Beccari s/a
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Ryan Binns wrote:
If you do use it, do backups every few seconds, as it will randomly corrupt its own database and you'll lose all your data...
Rubbish - I have used VSS for years. If this is your experience, you're doing it wrong. VSS is not perfect ( using it over a modem is hell ), but I've NEVER lost data from a VSS database. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Hmm. I'll take the middle ground between you, Ryan, and Jeremy. VSS is reasonably safe, as long as you take certain precautions: - Never put your SourceSafe data base on a FAT32 partition. Always put it on an NTFS partition. - Run the Analyze tool nightly. The earlier you catch a DB problem, the easier it will be to correct. - Do not use the SourceSafe Admin backup/restore facilities unless you are willing to do a test restore on each and every backup you make. The backup has a number of well-known silent failure modes that create invalid backups that cannot be restored, even partially. - Whenever users complain that SourceSafe is checking out the wrong file, or they can't find a file they checked out, look in their SS.INI file. Visual Studio and/or SourceSafe have an awful tendency to override working directory settings, which causes check-ins/outs to happen in the wrong place. We have a policy that each user has a single folder that is the working folder for the top level project, and everything underneath matches the VSS project structure.
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toxcct wrote:
Ankh SVN
Uhm... I tried it a while ago and it didn't work, in VS05 at least. I was unable to connect to the repository or something like that. Do you know anything else? _____________________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. My Blog [ITA] - Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.0 Beta... -- modified at 9:01 Wednesday 5th July, 2006
It's been working fine for me for well over a month now.
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Hi CPians, My department contemplates buying VSS as source control tool. What do you think about it, and what would you see as the best source control tool ? ~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
I've always found it illuminating that MS doesn't use it internally.