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Do you suppose people check the send time on emails? Lately I have sent resumes during business hours and code after midnight but I wonder if anyone other than myself actually notices or cares. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Do you suppose people check the send time on emails?
Sometimes I do, especially if it is something that is important from my clients.
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Always keep an up-to-date resume Maintain enrollment in a local college taking classes every now and then Have six-months cash in the bank as a buffer Call the bank and let them know the situation. See if they have a deferment program (most do for up to a year) And, if it gets really, really, really, really bad McDonalds is currently hiring for assistant manager. On a serious note: These days companies have no loyalty to employees. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
On a serious note: These days companies have no loyalty to employees.
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody. By the way great advices.
I would have to disagree partially. In general nobody has loyalty towards anyone, but if you build a network of people you can build a limited loyalty. The loyalty should be there as far as helping each other out, but you can't rely on it alone. Having said that, my network has always come through for me, and I have always sought recruits in my network before I go outside of it. Because of my network, I have never found myself unemployed for longer than a month. These jobs have usually been the best offers, I always interview outside my network too (as a way to gauge all my offers). I use my offers during negotiations and I take the best offer that fits my goals the best. In our field, its important to take the opportunities to grow as they come. I always try to get paid to learn new technologies (and build experience). This can get frustrating but its better than being unemployed and having to learn while on the bench and job hunting. Also, think about your career as to where it is going 5 years from now, and 1 year from now, and is the industry also going in that direction. We have seen many exciting technologies appear, succeed, and fail miserably. I have swore that one technology was the bomb and it would dominate ... to my shock, I couldn't have been more wrong ... then there are times I've been on the money. You do what you can and try your best. :-D As Ennis mentioned, keep that resume upto date. I maintain at least 2 versions ... 1) a complete resume of everything I have ever done (jobs, projects, etc.) and 2) my tailored resume for job hunting. I tailor it to the job specifications and the company. I don't claim to know the best methods, but these have served me well over the years. :cool: El Gato -- modified at 4:34 Saturday 8th July, 2006
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
On a serious note: These days companies have no loyalty to employees.
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody. By the way great advices.
Joan Murt wrote:
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody.
Although it's true that such concepts aren't as trendy in pop culture as they once were (at least in my country), as with any absolute I think this strays from the mark somewhat. There are a lot of predictable things in human nature, and selfishness along with a self serving attitude is certainly among them. However, in all but the most screwed up of people, there is a basic core of good, even if they don't always push it to the fore. Long experience has taught me that the best way to bring this out in others is to lead by example. When you live with honor, integrity and loyalty, demonstrating that you're someone who can always be counted on to do the right thing or help someone when they're down, you'll gain the admiration of many who are inspired by your actions. Whether you've helped them personally or they just see the kind of person you are through your actions, they'll be much more inclined to demonstrate loyalty and integrity when interacting with you because they perceive in you someone they can trust. This doesn't mean that you should live stupidly, ignoring the reality of those who would take advantage of you. Self defense is not immoral, it's a requirement for any intelligent creature. However, if you spend more time quietly showing people a better way of living and less time reinforcing how hopeless things are, your life will without a doubt get better. There's an old fable about a king who sent out two messengers in his domain, one to catalog every variety of flower and the other to note every specific type of weed and thorn bush. The former reported back in great detail of a glorious kingdom filled with beauty beyond measure. After the second messenger had given an equally complete report about the varieties of less desirable vegetation, the king asked him about the flowers he had seen. The messenger replied, "I cannot say, sire. I was only looking for weeds and thorns." Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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You have been working all those years tirelessly. You have been confident that your company has very long life. You become little lazy in hunting other job and think that let the day come and then start (unfortunately) THE DAY COMES when you find you are out of job . The fear gets you that you are just void and will become outdated in the world of fierce compitition if you dont get the next job in time, fear of getting very less pay since no job is in hand, to start all over again. what actions to be taken.. financially, psychologically, family oriented, for job hunting, career oriented, educationally? pathak
Is that a hypothetical question? Or did you just get fired? Regards, Nish
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Joan Murt wrote:
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody.
Although it's true that such concepts aren't as trendy in pop culture as they once were (at least in my country), as with any absolute I think this strays from the mark somewhat. There are a lot of predictable things in human nature, and selfishness along with a self serving attitude is certainly among them. However, in all but the most screwed up of people, there is a basic core of good, even if they don't always push it to the fore. Long experience has taught me that the best way to bring this out in others is to lead by example. When you live with honor, integrity and loyalty, demonstrating that you're someone who can always be counted on to do the right thing or help someone when they're down, you'll gain the admiration of many who are inspired by your actions. Whether you've helped them personally or they just see the kind of person you are through your actions, they'll be much more inclined to demonstrate loyalty and integrity when interacting with you because they perceive in you someone they can trust. This doesn't mean that you should live stupidly, ignoring the reality of those who would take advantage of you. Self defense is not immoral, it's a requirement for any intelligent creature. However, if you spend more time quietly showing people a better way of living and less time reinforcing how hopeless things are, your life will without a doubt get better. There's an old fable about a king who sent out two messengers in his domain, one to catalog every variety of flower and the other to note every specific type of weed and thorn bush. The former reported back in great detail of a glorious kingdom filled with beauty beyond measure. After the second messenger had given an equally complete report about the varieties of less desirable vegetation, the king asked him about the flowers he had seen. The messenger replied, "I cannot say, sire. I was only looking for weeds and thorns." Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
I don't want to be misunderstood. At first I quoted a text that said something about enterprises that are not loyal. OK, that is possible (not always, but possible). I mean that the same can be applied in the other sense. I don't think that everybody is unloyal, but in fact, it's the most extended behaviour today. People become mercenaries enterprises and workers. NOT EVERYBODY, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE. Of course there are lots of fables speaking about lots of things, but they are fables, also there are lots of real stories that has nothing to do with fables and others that are exactly the same than fables... I don't say that what I've told can be applied to everybody, but don't blame the enterprise only, everybody (enterprise or not) can become a mercenary without loyalty.
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Is that a hypothetical question? Or did you just get fired? Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New) -
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pathakr wrote:
got fired!!!!!!!!
Strange - I thought all software companies were struggling to find candidates. Anyway, this shouldn't be a cause for worry - there are 1000s of job openings out there for the right candidate. On a side note, do you know why you were fired? What was the quoted reason? Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New) -
pathakr wrote:
got fired!!!!!!!!
Strange - I thought all software companies were struggling to find candidates. Anyway, this shouldn't be a cause for worry - there are 1000s of job openings out there for the right candidate. On a side note, do you know why you were fired? What was the quoted reason? Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New) -
Joan Murt wrote:
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody.
Although it's true that such concepts aren't as trendy in pop culture as they once were (at least in my country), as with any absolute I think this strays from the mark somewhat. There are a lot of predictable things in human nature, and selfishness along with a self serving attitude is certainly among them. However, in all but the most screwed up of people, there is a basic core of good, even if they don't always push it to the fore. Long experience has taught me that the best way to bring this out in others is to lead by example. When you live with honor, integrity and loyalty, demonstrating that you're someone who can always be counted on to do the right thing or help someone when they're down, you'll gain the admiration of many who are inspired by your actions. Whether you've helped them personally or they just see the kind of person you are through your actions, they'll be much more inclined to demonstrate loyalty and integrity when interacting with you because they perceive in you someone they can trust. This doesn't mean that you should live stupidly, ignoring the reality of those who would take advantage of you. Self defense is not immoral, it's a requirement for any intelligent creature. However, if you spend more time quietly showing people a better way of living and less time reinforcing how hopeless things are, your life will without a doubt get better. There's an old fable about a king who sent out two messengers in his domain, one to catalog every variety of flower and the other to note every specific type of weed and thorn bush. The former reported back in great detail of a glorious kingdom filled with beauty beyond measure. After the second messenger had given an equally complete report about the varieties of less desirable vegetation, the king asked him about the flowers he had seen. The messenger replied, "I cannot say, sire. I was only looking for weeds and thorns." Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Damn! Two excellent posts in a row (your post and El Gato's post). I think I'll have to stop reading the CP forums for the rest of the day to avoid the upcoming disappointment with the rest of the threads...
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You have been working all those years tirelessly. You have been confident that your company has very long life. You become little lazy in hunting other job and think that let the day come and then start (unfortunately) THE DAY COMES when you find you are out of job . The fear gets you that you are just void and will become outdated in the world of fierce compitition if you dont get the next job in time, fear of getting very less pay since no job is in hand, to start all over again. what actions to be taken.. financially, psychologically, family oriented, for job hunting, career oriented, educationally? pathak
pathakr wrote:
what actions to be taken.. financially, psychologically, family oriented, for job hunting, career oriented, educationally?
Become a monk. Solves all your problems: Financially? No need for finances. Psychologically? Feeling of peace with the universe. Family? Monks are celibate, right? Job hunting? Once you have found the path, there is nothing but the path. Career? Monks have no ambitions. Educationally? Just meditate. The universe will teach you. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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pathakr wrote:
got fired!!!!!!!!
Fired? Why? What were you lax about, besides keeping your resume up to date and your nose to the job market pulse? Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Do you suppose people check the send time on emails? Lately I have sent resumes during business hours and code after midnight but I wonder if anyone other than myself actually notices or cares. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Lately I have sent resumes during business hours and code after midnight but I wonder if anyone other than myself actually notices or cares.
I have sent resumes outside business hours (due to different time zones or because a "head hunter" notified me of an opportunity at evening time, etc.) Some decision makers did notice the send time and it definitely helped to get an interview.
-- Oliver
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
On a serious note: These days companies have no loyalty to employees.
You are right, but let me add something: today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody. By the way great advices.
Joan Murt wrote:
today NOBODY has loyalty to anybody
No Joan.
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pathakr wrote:
what actions to be taken.. financially, psychologically, family oriented, for job hunting, career oriented, educationally?
Become a monk. Solves all your problems: Financially? No need for finances. Psychologically? Feeling of peace with the universe. Family? Monks are celibate, right? Job hunting? Once you have found the path, there is nothing but the path. Career? Monks have no ambitions. Educationally? Just meditate. The universe will teach you. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
You sound like Dobgert in his job consultant avatar. :laugh: Cheers, Vikram.
"I am not Jesus and will never be. The fact is I was a piece of cr*p till I found Him." - Paul Selormey.
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Here in the US terms carry a lot of meaning. Being fired carries the implication your were not performing to minimal standards or had performed illegal/unethical acts. Laid off or "work force reduction" means your position was elimnated for what ever reasons. Yes still no money comming in, but if a future employer were to ask or research your history, those who were fired will have a much harder time finding new work than one caught in a redution in employement. Good Luck. "Yes I know the voices are not real. But they have some pretty good ideas."