Microsoft gets € 280.500.000 fine
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
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I think that at this moment i get reasonable good products for a reasonable price when i buy software from Microsoft so i don't think i'm a victim of Microsoft's market position, i think their pricing policy is quit fair for most products.;) With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
I still think Microsoft should just withdraw its products from the EU.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
Your dream is to make the next killer product and becoming a dominant force in the world market. Your nightmare is being sued by idiot governments claiming that you're now a monopoly, squashing competition, and then they sue your butt in pointless retribution (probably using your products in the process). Ah, ain't life grand. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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I still think Microsoft should just withdraw its products from the EU.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
I still think Microsoft should just withdraw its products from the EU.
Yes, and from any other market were they got or get fined too!
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
Hi, I don't know where do you get the amount from? I looked up and I read that the Commission will decide in the next days and that they talk about 2 Millions (for every day where the tasks are not accepted from Microsoft).
Eric Goedhart wrote:
I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it
The amount or a fine generally? Well the amount will depend on Microsoft. When you think that a fine is not justified at all, then you must think that Microsoft violated anti-cartel rules. If somebody does that in other countries (US for example) he has to pay, too. Laws can't be broken - even when it's Microsoft. Regards, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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It's today in the news that Microsoft has been fined with this enormous amount of money because it violated European anti-cartel rules and misused it's dominant market position. I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it, and that's what i really hate :mad: With friendly greetings, Eric Goedhart Skype: eric-goedhart Deep in the fundamental heart of mind and Universe there is a reason. -Slartibartfast
As one who spent a lonnnnggggg time in the trenches fighting a company with a monopoly and a stellar marketing team who could nicespeak they're way around the fact they where ripping us all off, I applaud the European Commission's decision. Do I believe Microsoft offers good products ... of course they do, the best. Do I believe offer their products at a reasonable cost ... yeap again, I believe they do. Do I believe that they would continue to be benevolent without the EU watchdogs, no way in a million years. Microsoft is predatory even with the watch dog, they would only get worse without it. The free-market is not the free market when monolopies abuse their power. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch -- modified at 8:57 Wednesday 12th July, 2006
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Your dream is to make the next killer product and becoming a dominant force in the world market. Your nightmare is being sued by idiot governments claiming that you're now a monopoly, squashing competition, and then they sue your butt in pointless retribution (probably using your products in the process). Ah, ain't life grand. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
(probably using your products in the process)
I've never thought about how many legal papers against Microsoft have been, and are, written in MS Word. Ironic --EricDV Sig--------- Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent and well informed just to be undecided about them. - Laurence J. Peters
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I still think Microsoft should just withdraw its products from the EU.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
I still think Microsoft should just withdraw its products from the EU.
You are joking right? The EU population and potential market is almost double that of the US. While I think the fine is unfair and the reasons for it are complete bullshit but the fine is still peanuts compared to the amount of money that they are making from sales in the EU. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today!
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As one who spent a lonnnnggggg time in the trenches fighting a company with a monopoly and a stellar marketing team who could nicespeak they're way around the fact they where ripping us all off, I applaud the European Commission's decision. Do I believe Microsoft offers good products ... of course they do, the best. Do I believe offer their products at a reasonable cost ... yeap again, I believe they do. Do I believe that they would continue to be benevolent without the EU watchdogs, no way in a million years. Microsoft is predatory even with the watch dog, they would only get worse without it. The free-market is not the free market when monolopies abuse their power. Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch -- modified at 8:57 Wednesday 12th July, 2006
I have to disagree Ray (and nothing to do with the fact that I am joining MS soon). MS were given a huge fine back in 2004 (almost €500,000,000) and then told to provide x-y-z so competitors could easily interoperate with MS products. Apparently, the commission did not specify exactly what x-y-z was and MS did their best to accommodate it (with over 10 large companies stating that MS did provide enough info for anyone to interoperate - most of the companies being from the ECMA standards group). The commission has, since then, clarified what they need and MS are delivering that before the July 24th deadline - so the EU fine them before the deadline. The EU has been cash-strapped for years and it's simply a way for them to fill up their coffers. Over €1,000,000,000 in fines against Microsoft so far yet they don't touch smaller companies abusing monopolies and fine them, for example, Apple - iTunes + iPod with over 90% share of the market and completely lock out competing music players. MS are an easy target with lots of money for the EU to get their hands on. Simple. Sure, they broke some rules, they were fined half a billion euro and told to provide info by a date - the date hasn't come and they are still fined. Seems pretty obvious to me. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today! -- modified at 4:11 Thursday 13th July, 2006
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I have to disagree Ray (and nothing to do with the fact that I am joining MS soon). MS were given a huge fine back in 2004 (almost €500,000,000) and then told to provide x-y-z so competitors could easily interoperate with MS products. Apparently, the commission did not specify exactly what x-y-z was and MS did their best to accommodate it (with over 10 large companies stating that MS did provide enough info for anyone to interoperate - most of the companies being from the ECMA standards group). The commission has, since then, clarified what they need and MS are delivering that before the July 24th deadline - so the EU fine them before the deadline. The EU has been cash-strapped for years and it's simply a way for them to fill up their coffers. Over €1,000,000,000 in fines against Microsoft so far yet they don't touch smaller companies abusing monopolies and fine them, for example, Apple - iTunes + iPod with over 90% share of the market and completely lock out competing music players. MS are an easy target with lots of money for the EU to get their hands on. Simple. Sure, they broke some rules, they were fined half a billion euro and told to provide info by a date - the date hasn't come and they are still fined. Seems pretty obvious to me. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today! -- modified at 4:11 Thursday 13th July, 2006
Brian Delahunty wrote:
the fact that I am joining MS soon
Cool! Looks like I missed the news. Any more details?
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Brian Delahunty wrote:
the fact that I am joining MS soon
Cool! Looks like I missed the news. Any more details?
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Any more details?
I'm joining MS on 2nd of October as a Program Manager on the IIS team. Not sure when I'll relocate to the US yet but probably sometime mid-September. Btw, the ASP.NET cloud control is very :cool:. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today!
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Hi, I don't know where do you get the amount from? I looked up and I read that the Commission will decide in the next days and that they talk about 2 Millions (for every day where the tasks are not accepted from Microsoft).
Eric Goedhart wrote:
I personally think this fine of the EU commission is absurd and at the end consumers will be paying for it
The amount or a fine generally? Well the amount will depend on Microsoft. When you think that a fine is not justified at all, then you must think that Microsoft violated anti-cartel rules. If somebody does that in other countries (US for example) he has to pay, too. Laws can't be broken - even when it's Microsoft. Regards, Ingo ------------------------------ PROST Roleplaying Game War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
ihoecken wrote:
The amount or a fine generally? Well the amount will depend on Microsoft. When you think that a fine is not justified at all, then you must think that Microsoft violated anti-cartel rules. If somebody does that in other countries (US for example) he has to pay, too. Laws can't be broken - even when it's Microsoft.
There is violation and violation. For example if you drive 88MPH on road, you're speeding, there is no ambiguity. Now in the case of Microsoft there is ambiguity. For exemple they had to provide some documentation. Generally speaking I think that Microsoft documentation are the best! (only the FreeBSD handbook[^] could compare) Mh... well perhap the Java tutorial + HTML doc are not too bad as well.. Anyway I strongly doubt that many EU argument are valid. Not to mention EU (not Microsoft) don't want public hearing, don't want to disclose its exact demand, etc... If you ask me the EU comission looks suspicious. :~
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Any more details?
I'm joining MS on 2nd of October as a Program Manager on the IIS team. Not sure when I'll relocate to the US yet but probably sometime mid-September. Btw, the ASP.NET cloud control is very :cool:. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today!
Cloud control? ho I see, you are Irish!
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Your dream is to make the next killer product and becoming a dominant force in the world market. Your nightmare is being sued by idiot governments claiming that you're now a monopoly, squashing competition, and then they sue your butt in pointless retribution (probably using your products in the process). Ah, ain't life grand. Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
And do not forget all those patents that your new product is in violation of that were sold off to scum companies for the sole purpose to rob you of all your profits. Of course, the only bring up the violations years after you have made it profitable ;) Rocky <>< Latest Post: Visual Studio 2005 Standard, whats missing? Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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I have to disagree Ray (and nothing to do with the fact that I am joining MS soon). MS were given a huge fine back in 2004 (almost €500,000,000) and then told to provide x-y-z so competitors could easily interoperate with MS products. Apparently, the commission did not specify exactly what x-y-z was and MS did their best to accommodate it (with over 10 large companies stating that MS did provide enough info for anyone to interoperate - most of the companies being from the ECMA standards group). The commission has, since then, clarified what they need and MS are delivering that before the July 24th deadline - so the EU fine them before the deadline. The EU has been cash-strapped for years and it's simply a way for them to fill up their coffers. Over €1,000,000,000 in fines against Microsoft so far yet they don't touch smaller companies abusing monopolies and fine them, for example, Apple - iTunes + iPod with over 90% share of the market and completely lock out competing music players. MS are an easy target with lots of money for the EU to get their hands on. Simple. Sure, they broke some rules, they were fined half a billion euro and told to provide info by a date - the date hasn't come and they are still fined. Seems pretty obvious to me. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today! -- modified at 4:11 Thursday 13th July, 2006
Brian Delahunty wrote:
MS are
You've been talking to Paul haven't you. ;P Jeremy Falcon
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Any more details?
I'm joining MS on 2nd of October as a Program Manager on the IIS team. Not sure when I'll relocate to the US yet but probably sometime mid-September. Btw, the ASP.NET cloud control is very :cool:. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today!
Brian Delahunty wrote:
I'm joining MS on 2nd of October as a Program Manager on the IIS team. Not sure when I'll relocate to the US yet but probably sometime mid-September.
Congratulations :-) Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
(probably using your products in the process)
I've never thought about how many legal papers against Microsoft have been, and are, written in MS Word. Ironic --EricDV Sig--------- Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent and well informed just to be undecided about them. - Laurence J. Peters
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Any more details?
I'm joining MS on 2nd of October as a Program Manager on the IIS team. Not sure when I'll relocate to the US yet but probably sometime mid-September. Btw, the ASP.NET cloud control is very :cool:. Regards, Brian Dela :-) Blog^ Co-author of The Outlook Answer Book... Go on, order^ it today!