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  • R Raj Lal

    A guy is owner of a certain number of sheeps for god's sakes and also the father of three sons who for some reason are expert logicians like Cpians So here comes the question Clever as you are will think to yourself, now all this guy needs is to believe he's about to die so that he can make a will to divide the sheeps among the sons, right? Right, Except He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 1. The eldest will inherit the most sheeps 2. The youngest the least 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime. 4. He then whispers in each son's ear how many sheeps he personally will inherit. After that he proceeds from the eldest to the youngest, asking each ALOUD if he can calculate how many sheeps each of his brothers will inherit and each replies, "NO". He does it again and again each replies, "No" But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no') gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit." What's the bet you're already wondering how may sheeps each son will get? QUESTION IS HOW MANY SHEEPS EACH ONE WILL GET easy ????? are you ready to take the challenge ? ha ha ha can you hear me laughing * OK try this easy one Can you tell me the only common word in english literature which has U , F, and A somewhere in the word in the same sequence HINT FOR THE FIRST QUESTION

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    He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime.

    This ONLY says that the sons cannot have more than 10 sheeps nothing else * NO POINTS WITHOUT EXPLAINATION Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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    Ah-hem, the version I read had rabbits.:)

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      Like this puzzle which I have yet to deduce. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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      The old man likely had 10 sheep or less. Which means each son receives less than ten. Obviously the first son didn't recieve 7 or more because then his brothers would get none or else he would have known the answer (7,2,1). By the same logic we know that the middle son did not get 2 or he would have known the answer same with the youngest. 6,2,2 is not valid because the youngest does not get the least. Therefore 5, 3, 2 is the only available answer assuming the father has 10 sheep. If the father had less than 10 sheep the boys would have known the answer on the first round of questioning. If the oldest son gets less than 5 sheep the father does not have 10 sheep. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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        Ah-hem, the version I read had rabbits.:)

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        leckey wrote:

        the version I read had rabbits

        Oh yes, there are lots of different version of the problem but this one has its own twist * * btw sheeps runs farther than the rabbits when ______ is there Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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          Like this puzzle which I have yet to deduce. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

          Like this puzzle which I have yet to deduce

          Thats why the title :) well i have modified the puzzle THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY SHEEP EACH ONE WILL GET Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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            The old man likely had 10 sheep or less. Which means each son receives less than ten. Obviously the first son didn't recieve 7 or more because then his brothers would get none or else he would have known the answer (7,2,1). By the same logic we know that the middle son did not get 2 or he would have known the answer same with the youngest. 6,2,2 is not valid because the youngest does not get the least. Therefore 5, 3, 2 is the only available answer assuming the father has 10 sheep. If the father had less than 10 sheep the boys would have known the answer on the first round of questioning. If the oldest son gets less than 5 sheep the father does not have 10 sheep. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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            :| Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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              :| Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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              That is like saying I am wrong but not giving a reason because it would help others to further deduce a solution. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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              • R Raj Lal

                A guy is owner of a certain number of sheeps for god's sakes and also the father of three sons who for some reason are expert logicians like Cpians So here comes the question Clever as you are will think to yourself, now all this guy needs is to believe he's about to die so that he can make a will to divide the sheeps among the sons, right? Right, Except He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 1. The eldest will inherit the most sheeps 2. The youngest the least 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime. 4. He then whispers in each son's ear how many sheeps he personally will inherit. After that he proceeds from the eldest to the youngest, asking each ALOUD if he can calculate how many sheeps each of his brothers will inherit and each replies, "NO". He does it again and again each replies, "No" But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no') gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit." What's the bet you're already wondering how may sheeps each son will get? QUESTION IS HOW MANY SHEEPS EACH ONE WILL GET easy ????? are you ready to take the challenge ? ha ha ha can you hear me laughing * OK try this easy one Can you tell me the only common word in english literature which has U , F, and A somewhere in the word in the same sequence HINT FOR THE FIRST QUESTION

                Quartz... wrote:

                He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime.

                This ONLY says that the sons cannot have more than 10 sheeps nothing else * NO POINTS WITHOUT EXPLAINATION Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                Quartz... wrote:

                He does it again and again each replies, "No"

                is that 2 full rounds of No answers from all 3 and on the 3rd round the youngest gets it? and... what's the exact question?

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                  Quartz... wrote:

                  He does it again and again each replies, "No"

                  is that 2 full rounds of No answers from all 3 and on the 3rd round the youngest gets it? and... what's the exact question?

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                  that 2 full rounds of No answers from all 3

                  yes in the third round the Eldest gets it ,

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                  what's the exact question?

                  The question is to find out how many sheeps each one gets Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    That is like saying I am wrong but not giving a reason because it would help others to further deduce a solution. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                    The old man likely had 10 sheep or less.

                    How did you deduce this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                    • R Raj Lal

                      A guy is owner of a certain number of sheeps for god's sakes and also the father of three sons who for some reason are expert logicians like Cpians So here comes the question Clever as you are will think to yourself, now all this guy needs is to believe he's about to die so that he can make a will to divide the sheeps among the sons, right? Right, Except He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 1. The eldest will inherit the most sheeps 2. The youngest the least 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime. 4. He then whispers in each son's ear how many sheeps he personally will inherit. After that he proceeds from the eldest to the youngest, asking each ALOUD if he can calculate how many sheeps each of his brothers will inherit and each replies, "NO". He does it again and again each replies, "No" But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no') gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit." What's the bet you're already wondering how may sheeps each son will get? QUESTION IS HOW MANY SHEEPS EACH ONE WILL GET easy ????? are you ready to take the challenge ? ha ha ha can you hear me laughing * OK try this easy one Can you tell me the only common word in english literature which has U , F, and A somewhere in the word in the same sequence HINT FOR THE FIRST QUESTION

                      Quartz... wrote:

                      He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime.

                      This ONLY says that the sons cannot have more than 10 sheeps nothing else * NO POINTS WITHOUT EXPLAINATION Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                      Of course, all good shepherds only count in binary. Therefore, the eldest son gets 10 sheep (the maximum any son could have), the middle son 1 sheep, and the youngest 0 sheep.:laugh:

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                        Of course, all good shepherds only count in binary. Therefore, the eldest son gets 10 sheep (the maximum any son could have), the middle son 1 sheep, and the youngest 0 sheep.:laugh:

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                        that was funny explaination :) Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                          The old man likely had 10 sheep or less. Which means each son receives less than ten. Obviously the first son didn't recieve 7 or more because then his brothers would get none or else he would have known the answer (7,2,1). By the same logic we know that the middle son did not get 2 or he would have known the answer same with the youngest. 6,2,2 is not valid because the youngest does not get the least. Therefore 5, 3, 2 is the only available answer assuming the father has 10 sheep. If the father had less than 10 sheep the boys would have known the answer on the first round of questioning. If the oldest son gets less than 5 sheep the father does not have 10 sheep. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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                          Hum... Being 5-3-2 (10) The last son, having 2, knows for sure that it's 5-3-2, it cannot be 4-4-2, 6-2-2, nor 7-1-2. Being 5-4-1 (10) The second son, having 4, knows for sure it's 5-4-1, it cannot be 6-4-0 Being 5-3-1 (9) The first son, having 5, knows for sure it's 5-3-1, it cannot be 5-4-0 nor 5-2-2 Being 6-2-1 (9) The middle son, having 2, knows for sure it's 6-2-1, it cannot be 7-2-0, nor 5-2-2 If the middle son cannot have as much sheep as it's brothers, maybe he just doesn't have sheep? So the first son knows that his brother has (X - the numbe of sheeps he owns). JFarceur

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                            that was funny explaination :) Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                            but impossible since the old man could not own 11 sheeps at the beginning, since it's a crime. JFarceur

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                              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                              The old man likely had 10 sheep or less.

                              How did you deduce this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                              It was illegal to have more than 10 sheep. The old man is no exception to the law. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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                                A guy is owner of a certain number of sheeps for god's sakes and also the father of three sons who for some reason are expert logicians like Cpians So here comes the question Clever as you are will think to yourself, now all this guy needs is to believe he's about to die so that he can make a will to divide the sheeps among the sons, right? Right, Except He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 1. The eldest will inherit the most sheeps 2. The youngest the least 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime. 4. He then whispers in each son's ear how many sheeps he personally will inherit. After that he proceeds from the eldest to the youngest, asking each ALOUD if he can calculate how many sheeps each of his brothers will inherit and each replies, "NO". He does it again and again each replies, "No" But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no') gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit." What's the bet you're already wondering how may sheeps each son will get? QUESTION IS HOW MANY SHEEPS EACH ONE WILL GET easy ????? are you ready to take the challenge ? ha ha ha can you hear me laughing * OK try this easy one Can you tell me the only common word in english literature which has U , F, and A somewhere in the word in the same sequence HINT FOR THE FIRST QUESTION

                                Quartz... wrote:

                                He calls them together (the sons, not the sheeps) and tells them how many sheeps (not sons) he owns AND Adds that 3. Nobody having more than 10 sheeps, which as we all know is a crime.

                                This ONLY says that the sons cannot have more than 10 sheeps nothing else * NO POINTS WITHOUT EXPLAINATION Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                Unfortunately, the only answer I get to is 5, 3, and 2 with the eldest getting 5 sheep.

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                                  Unfortunately, the only answer I get to is 5, 3, and 2 with the eldest getting 5 sheep.

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                                  But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no')
                                  gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit."

                                  How do you explain this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                    The old man likely had 10 sheep or less.

                                    How did you deduce this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                    Quartz... wrote:

                                    How did you deduce this ?

                                    Because its a crime to have more than 10 sheep! :doh: :doh::doh::-O**

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                                    • R Raj Lal

                                      But then the eldest son on being asked the question once more says, "Yes, each of the last two 'noes' (that's the plural of 'no')
                                      gave me some information, and I now know (no plural of 'knows') how many sheeps each of us will inherit."

                                      How do you explain this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                      neither of the other two knew how many sheeps the eldest had inherited and the yongest did not know how many sheeps the middle son had inherited. the eldest son, knowing how many sheeps he had inherited could deduce the correct number for the other two.

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                                        Hum... Being 5-3-2 (10) The last son, having 2, knows for sure that it's 5-3-2, it cannot be 4-4-2, 6-2-2, nor 7-1-2. Being 5-4-1 (10) The second son, having 4, knows for sure it's 5-4-1, it cannot be 6-4-0 Being 5-3-1 (9) The first son, having 5, knows for sure it's 5-3-1, it cannot be 5-4-0 nor 5-2-2 Being 6-2-1 (9) The middle son, having 2, knows for sure it's 6-2-1, it cannot be 7-2-0, nor 5-2-2 If the middle son cannot have as much sheep as it's brothers, maybe he just doesn't have sheep? So the first son knows that his brother has (X - the numbe of sheeps he owns). JFarceur

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                                        Very nice analysis but whats the answer you said ? i am not able to figure out from your explaination Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                          The old man likely had 10 sheep or less.

                                          How did you deduce this ? Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                          Owning more than 10 sheep is a crime ...

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