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Martin Marvinski wrote: Ok. Why don't those OEMs just install OS/2? Actually a number of local OEMs are starting to install Linux. Generally OEM's install Windows because their customers expect to see it. It has been marketed to them, and it allows them to do what they want - run Office and play games. Martin Marvinski wrote: They don't want too because OS/2 is crap that no one wants. OS/2 beat the *hell* out of Windows when it was alive. It needs to be compared to it's contemparies - Win 3.x and Windows 95. On that basis, it is a clear winner. So was beta, the winner is not always the best product. Martin Marvinski wrote: The OEMs are using the government to get windows more cheaply. They are trying to steal from MS. the OEM's who steal from M$ buy one copy and distribute it over and over. That is probably a major reason for product activation. Martin Marvinski wrote: Of course MS has a monopoly if no one else makes a consumer OS!!. You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. You've mentioned OS/2, it's not the only alternative. Martin Marvinski wrote: SUN is the villan here. It is trying to get the national ID cards going, so is Oracle. They want to run the software that monitors you and your children. MS just wants to sell consumer software. rotfl !!!! In the US you guys are so hung up on the illusion of freedom that you think it is protected by you having guns in the house and being able to kill each other ( but not have enough firepower to do anything to the government ). You think anyone could get away with introducing a computerised ID card ? The Bible Belt will scream 666, go into their bunkers and start drinking Draino, or however these cult types like to kill themselves nowadays. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then.
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Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. This is a very ironic claim coming from you. Microsoft has been convicted of breaking the law and you want them let off. You have the same mentality as those people who want celebrities to be let off criminal charges because they happen to like them. You clearly don't know what the rule of law is. John Carson
Read the previous thread. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though.
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Martin Marvinski wrote: When you get a computer with MS Windows, you instinctively know what to do!!! Thats why it succeeded. This is utter crap. Perhaps you and I "instinctively" know what to do, but I've spent many hours pulling my hair out trying to explain/demonstrate a doubleclick. Personally, I think PCs should be for CS grads and nerds like us. (And since I got sick and f*cking tired of MS bullshit, I've moved to a geek platform. I code for Windows to pay the bills - I code for Linux because I'm cool.) And I think it's up to MS and others to come up with a truly "instinctive" machine for the general population. Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone. J
Jamie Hale wrote: Windows most definitely is NOT for everyone True, true. Windows isn't for everybody, it's mostly for dummies. But since 90% of the population are dummies when it comes to computers, Microsoft controls 90% of the market... Isaac Sasson, Lean, mean posting machine! Sonork ID 100.13704
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Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.
As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
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Martin Marvinski wrote: It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Like I said, the easiest way to oppress a people is to feed them the illusion of freedom. What freedom do you have that I don't, except the freedom to get shot in a public place ? I have more freedom of speech than you, because I am less likely to be sued for stating my opinion, my government has more checks and measures against abuse of power than yours, all of the prime ministers we've ever had actually got voted in, unlike your current guy, etc. Martin Marvinski wrote: Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Well now, I guess they don't have irony in the USA either. Must have left along with freedom, and common sense, no ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. What a pile of crap. We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. Martin Marvinski wrote: Thats why the US is #1. And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. I understand your point, just please bear in mind we aren't all like this. There are always going to be pros and cons anywhere you go. While we do have screwed up laws, we also have freedom. It comes with a price, however. I do love my country and would rather be here than anywhere else. I, as most here, will speak of it with pride. I suppose some of us just don't have the gift of proper wording to ensure we don't come off as jerks. I'm sure Australia is a great place too. I've never been there, although I want to visit (Great Barrier Reef). Martin's low blow on Aussies was just about as formidable of a retaliation he could muster because he knew he had no point. Jeremy L. Falcon "The One Who Said, 'The One Who Said...'" Homepage : Feature Article : Sonork = 100.16311
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Christian Graus wrote: What freedom do you have that I don't The right of Free Speech, the freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right not to quater soldiers, the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures, the right to be tried only once for a crime, the right to a speedy trial, and ect... Christian Graus wrote: We have enough 'rule of law' here in Australia that we've never declared war on one another. You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. There are several reasons why people hate Americans. 1. They are jealous of our might 2. They are jealous of our intellect 3. they are jealous of our economy 4. They are jealous of our educational system 5. They are jealous of our freedoms 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) The list just goes on, and on. We gave you Microsoft, otherwise you may just be tending sheep or cattle in good ol Australia.(It is a nice place to visit on vacation though!) But not for anything else... BTW if I sound mean, I'm sorry, but don't put down the USA because it did so much for the world. We saved the world from recessions, hilter, our economic aid feeds millions..ect.
Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Beware, every nation that has gone up has come down. Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect What intellect are you talking about here? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy It rides on middle-east oil (which is controlled by putting dictatorships in countries with intelligence support and getting cheap oil in return). Also, forces small developing countries to open up theie economy to the big companies in US. and whoever does it the American way becomes Argentina (fucked up by World Bank) Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system What is there to be so jealous of here? I am as good or better than most people who got their education in US and I got my education in a developing country - India. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jealous of our freedoms Ask for the most free country; it is India. You have the freedom to even drive on the opposite side of the road :). We also get to choose our respresntatives, so that they can go on and do whatever they want. We can also speak whatever we want. We can write whatever we want.. and we never needed to carry a gun and I believe it is better that way (or atleast the majority of Indians decided that it is better - it is legislated) Martin Marvinski wrote: 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. I am not. I lived in a small town without a car - because the public transport was better than anywhere in US I have seen. Atleast in Europe and my part of India, most people own homes. In poorer countries, they tend to give priority to public transport than promote western automobile manufacturers, because most of these countries were left illiterate and economically looted by the Western countries 50 years ago. As a democracy of illiterates, India has a longer development curve than a communist China or a US that had slaves when it became independent 300 years ago. Martin Marvinski wrote: 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. Not more than you guys are. Martin Marvinski wrote: 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) Please note that many people wh
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Christian Graus wrote: You must be stupid - read the top of your post, where you recognise that others have done so. It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then.
Martin Marvinski wrote: It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. Wow - you ARE stupid. And racist to boot. beta is better than vhs. The better product does not always win. IBM lost largely because they gave Microsoft the head start, they did not expect the PC to succeed as a product. Martin Marvinski wrote: But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. Nope. The most marketed product, and also the one that best tied people into using it. Martin Marvinski wrote: That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. you haven't even seen OS/2, have you ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then. The folks at IBM included both for the price of one. It was reliable and also easy to use. Can anyone say 'pre-emtive multitasking', WAY before Windows did it ? I'm at work, so I'll have to leave it there. You are racist, ignorant and stupid. Get some help. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Read the previous thread. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though.
Read the previous thread. I have. It has no bearing on the point that I made. Oracle and Sun bribed the Government to go after MS. You have evidence of this? Or do you just invent "facts" when you feel the need to bolster your arguments. Did they also bribe the various courts? Or was that the work of the occupants of recently landed UFOs? You can start your own company this very day in the US and sell what ever you want. That doesn't mean MS has to give you a discount though. Let's see if I have this right. The fact that people are allowed to start their own company means that Microsoft should be allowed to break the law with impunity? Is that your position? John Carson
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Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, that'll work. We'll, um, write letters It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Christian Graus wrote: I know, let's kill Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison. Larry is in my sights already, because the tools that come with Oracle are so very, very bad. Once again, thats not how it works in the US. Unlike Aussies, who were sent there by England as prisoners, we enjoy the rule of law here in the States. Thats why the US is #1.
Martin Marvinski wrote: It may not work in your backward country, but it does in the good old US of A. If you didn't know, we have more freedom and rights than anyone else in the world. Well it's nice to see that all your views are equally skewed. Australia is a backwards country? Heh Heh. Speaking of "the way things work in the ol' US of A", weren't you the one who posted an article about Sun and Oracle bribing US officals to keep the anti-trust suit going?
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As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
Well said. I was almost at the point where I had to exercise my right to carry a gun and use it accidentally :) I still have not figured out why Americans believe that all the rest of the world wants to be like America. I would not want my country to be like America in its policies, filing lawsuits over McDonalds (with a sppedier conclusion than an important anti-trust case), people carrying guns all around the place. Thomas
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As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
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You are displaying all the symptoms of someone who is jealous. I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. You have to take the defensive position because it would crush you emotionally if you accepted your lot in life, and that you aren't a part of the world's greatest superpower. There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. Christian Graus wrote: Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Then how come no other country can rival us? If there was so much talent elsewhere, wouldn't someone eventually come up and beat us in our High tech endeavours. We are light years ahead in Computer Science. Our military technology is generations ahead of the Europeans. I would feel bad if I lived in a second world country too. Why don't you apply for a Visa or Greencard and try to come over here? Or else improve your country. Just don't become green with envy. BTW Microsoft, IBM and SUN are all our companies. I take offense at your critisizing how we do buisness. What has Australia done in the computing world? Where is the Australian equivilant of MS? Or IBM?
The computer science that you are talking about is global. It is not American. No one in Europe is trying to make any military weapons like US does. And please note, you can be proud of your nation. Others are proud of theirs. I would not trade my mother for another because she is more beautiful and makes more money. If Hitler did not exist, Europe would have been light years ahead. I hate to say this. If all americans are like you, America is doomed. Thomas
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As I said, I have more free speech than you because I am less likely to be sued for exercising it. Martin Marvinski wrote: freedom of religion Actually I believe the US is oppressively pseudo Christian, at least I've been told that was the case in the past. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to bear arms As I've said, this is not a right, it is a burden. Compare homicide figures between our countries, deaths by firearms, etc. Use a site that quotes facts, not the site that Charlton Heston tells lies from. He has been chastised in writing by our government for lying about the effect of our laws on gun control. Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to quater soldiers You've got a point there - damn soldiers keep messing up my carpet with their muddy boots, and kicking my cat. Are you *serious * ??? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right not to have unreasonable search and seizures Unreasonable is in the eyes of the beholder, but I have that right too Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to be tried only once for a crime You honestly think only the US has this ? Martin Marvinski wrote: the right to a speedy trial you and I both know this is a right that often does not exist in reality. Martin Marvinski wrote: You don't have enough people to declare war on one another. Really ? Then why has Fiji had civil war ? You're being obtuse to avoid the facts. Martin Marvinski wrote: Didn't England have to send orphans to your country to give it more citizens? They probably did it to get rid of them. Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Or offended by the way you misuse it Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy Maybe upset at how you use it to bully other nations Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system You've GOT to be kidding - you're breeding a nation of morons as we speak. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jeal
You are displaying all the symptoms of someone who is jealous. I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. You have to take the defensive position because it would crush you emotionally if you accepted your lot in life, and that you aren't a part of the world's greatest superpower. There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. Christian Graus wrote: Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Then how come no other country can rival us? If there was so much talent elsewhere, wouldn't someone eventually come up and beat us in our High tech endeavours. We are light years ahead in Computer Science. Our military technology is generations ahead of the Europeans. I would feel bad if I lived in a second world country too. Why don't you apply for a Visa or Greencard and try to come over here? Or else improve your country. Just don't become green with envy. BTW Microsoft, IBM and SUN are all our companies. I take offense at your critisizing how we do buisness. What has Australia done in the computing world? Where is the Australian equivilant of MS? Or IBM?
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Just leave me and MS alone Why should M$ be left alone ? Why should they not be publically accountable ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Remember its you UNIX guys who are starting this antitrust Sh*t. Whatever do you mean ? As I've said, Linux installed PC's are for sale in the backwater where I live. People are buying them as a cheap web box, because they don't need office or games. I happen to think that Solaris is a nice OS, although not as slick as XP, for example, the truth is I am sick of XP, and I am sick of having my hand held, it actually makes it harder to do stuff. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: And arrogant people like you, talking this crap, are the reason so many people hate Americans. I understand your point, just please bear in mind we aren't all like this. There are always going to be pros and cons anywhere you go. While we do have screwed up laws, we also have freedom. It comes with a price, however. I do love my country and would rather be here than anywhere else. I, as most here, will speak of it with pride. I suppose some of us just don't have the gift of proper wording to ensure we don't come off as jerks. I'm sure Australia is a great place too. I've never been there, although I want to visit (Great Barrier Reef). Martin's low blow on Aussies was just about as formidable of a retaliation he could muster because he knew he had no point. Jeremy L. Falcon "The One Who Said, 'The One Who Said...'" Homepage : Feature Article : Sonork = 100.16311
I tried to make clear I was saying *some people* hate Americans. I certainly don't. That would make me racist, just like Martin seems to be. I think it's only natural to love where you live, assuming it's halfway decent. The line is crossed when you think other people must naturally wish they lived there too. But I think where-ever you go, most people are pretty decent, however there's always a few idiots in the mix as well. I'd love to visit the USA as well. The Great Barrier Reef is in the process of dying, I'd hurry if you want to see it, I really hope I can get my kids to see it before it is all dead and gone. Global warming I believe is the main thing killing it, but pollution is not helping. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Martin Marvinski wrote: It makes me feel really bad to pick arguments with poor defenceless Aussies who don't know any better. OS/2 on the same level as MS's windows. If it were it would have succeeded. IBM had all the power, it invented the PC standard, it had all the money and clout in the industry, and if it wanted to it could have done what MS did. Wow - you ARE stupid. And racist to boot. beta is better than vhs. The better product does not always win. IBM lost largely because they gave Microsoft the head start, they did not expect the PC to succeed as a product. Martin Marvinski wrote: But what happened instead was that the best product won in the free market system of America. Nope. The most marketed product, and also the one that best tied people into using it. Martin Marvinski wrote: That of course was Windows, who made sure it was easy to use. you haven't even seen OS/2, have you ? Martin Marvinski wrote: Ease of use was the number one priority, even more than reliability back then. The folks at IBM included both for the price of one. It was reliable and also easy to use. Can anyone say 'pre-emtive multitasking', WAY before Windows did it ? I'm at work, so I'll have to leave it there. You are racist, ignorant and stupid. Get some help. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: You are racist How am I a racist? Is Australian a race? Graus is now pulling the "race card" to win a debate. You just proved my point. I'm not going to debate with you any longer because you obviously can't handle it emotionally. I going to apologize for causing you grief. I'm sorry for arguing with you. Next time I'll keep the conversation on a lite topic. I made the same mistake with David Wulff, he remembered a commment from many months ago and to this day still holds a grudge against me.
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Martin Marvinski wrote: 1. They are jealous of our might Beware, every nation that has gone up has come down. Martin Marvinski wrote: 2. They are jealous of our intellect What intellect are you talking about here? Martin Marvinski wrote: 3. they are jealous of our economy It rides on middle-east oil (which is controlled by putting dictatorships in countries with intelligence support and getting cheap oil in return). Also, forces small developing countries to open up theie economy to the big companies in US. and whoever does it the American way becomes Argentina (fucked up by World Bank) Martin Marvinski wrote: 4. They are jealous of our educational system What is there to be so jealous of here? I am as good or better than most people who got their education in US and I got my education in a developing country - India. Martin Marvinski wrote: 5. They are jealous of our freedoms Ask for the most free country; it is India. You have the freedom to even drive on the opposite side of the road :). We also get to choose our respresntatives, so that they can go on and do whatever they want. We can also speak whatever we want. We can write whatever we want.. and we never needed to carry a gun and I believe it is better that way (or atleast the majority of Indians decided that it is better - it is legislated) Martin Marvinski wrote: 6. They are jealous of all our things(every person has at least 2 cars, most own homes, ect. I am not. I lived in a small town without a car - because the public transport was better than anywhere in US I have seen. Atleast in Europe and my part of India, most people own homes. In poorer countries, they tend to give priority to public transport than promote western automobile manufacturers, because most of these countries were left illiterate and economically looted by the Western countries 50 years ago. As a democracy of illiterates, India has a longer development curve than a communist China or a US that had slaves when it became independent 300 years ago. Martin Marvinski wrote: 7. They are brainwashed by their leaders. Not more than you guys are. Martin Marvinski wrote: 8. They are jealous of our inovations( we invented the airplane, tv, radio, computer, we sent men to the moon) Please note that many people wh
Thomas George wrote: Please note that many people who came from other countries contributed to this and in their hearts, many of them are not American Those who come to America are Americans. America is a melting pot of cultures. We are a nation of imigrants.
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You know what we should do? We should start a campaign here at codeproject to help Microsoft in its antitrust fight by writing letters to our elected officals telling them to back off. Maybe Chris could get in touch with MS, and they could tell us who to contact and provide us with strategies and insight. I believe in fair competion and I think what Oracle and Sun are doing is just wrong. Also, Chris could set up a forum here where we could discuss ways to prevent Oracle and Sun from harming our livelyhoods. Remember they are attacking us, as well as Microsoft with their sneaky tactics. MS has the most developers. What happens to the economy when we loose our jobs thanks to the states? We need to be more vocal in our support of Microsoft.
You're assuming we're all on the same page on this. I'm rooting for the states. Not that I wish Sun And Oracle anything positive. I just wish MS didn't keep screwing us over with its ham-handed technical "innovations" at the cost of reliability, stability, and usability. GDI+ is the only positive thing I've seen out of Redmond since Win95.
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You are displaying all the symptoms of someone who is jealous. I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. You have to take the defensive position because it would crush you emotionally if you accepted your lot in life, and that you aren't a part of the world's greatest superpower. There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. Christian Graus wrote: Most of it imported. Get a life buddy. You're fooling yourself. The home of soap operas leads the world when it comes to intelligence ? Then how come no other country can rival us? If there was so much talent elsewhere, wouldn't someone eventually come up and beat us in our High tech endeavours. We are light years ahead in Computer Science. Our military technology is generations ahead of the Europeans. I would feel bad if I lived in a second world country too. Why don't you apply for a Visa or Greencard and try to come over here? Or else improve your country. Just don't become green with envy. BTW Microsoft, IBM and SUN are all our companies. I take offense at your critisizing how we do buisness. What has Australia done in the computing world? Where is the Australian equivilant of MS? Or IBM?
Martin Marvinski wrote: I would feel bad if I lived in anouther country, so I can't critisize you too harshly. The fact that Australia is made up of different races does not mean that thinking that America is the only place worth living is racist. Even if you remove that tag because of it's emotional value, it's still pig ignorant, that's for sure Martin Marvinski wrote: There is a study that suggests that the middle easterners are jealous of our success, and our participation in the world makes them feel that we are rubbing it in their faces. That is why they hate us. A study can prove whatever you want it to. Martin Marvinski wrote: Then how come no other country can rival us? I don't know how to argue points like this ( which are untrue ) without appearing as ignorant as you and risking offending my many American friends here, none of whom are as ignorant as you are. You'll note your countrymen are not rallying to your defence. What does that tell you ? Let's leave it at that - you're a narrow minded bigot and I'd rather we did not speak about this again. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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I used Solaris on Sun Netra mechines and there is nothing you have to learn. The same point and click interface. Double-click on the CD-ROM icon, the CD mounts and displays exactly as a Windows machine would. What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? What are the situations where the steep learning curve comes into play? All we do in Windows, whenever something goes wrong very bad, is re-install. Works for any OS or program. I upgraded Solaris on the same machine later and it was the smoothest OS installation I have ever done (has to do with the fact that OS and the machine are made by the same company - no incompatibilities) To use the internet, I used Netscape. The ethernet interfaces were pre-configured (drivers installed) and all that had to be done was to plug it in and provide an IP address. I am certain that it supports DHCP too. But, Sun was never a desktop machine. This is an entry level server and was amazingly user-friendly. If someone tells me that they can figure out Windows, Solaris or Mac faster than the other - if they had seen none of them befire -- it is just crap. Linux was difficult to use - because 1. It was not commercialized and people whom it targetted were power users and programmers 2. Until recently, no emphasis was given to GUI and it had only a very bad X implementation. 3. And when they started on making better UIs, there was duplication of effort with KDE and GNOME. But, I maintain that Solaris is as usable as any version of Windows -- atleast for me. But, it is not targetted at a home user. Recently, I saw a Sun server machine with 1 GB of RAM and 2 40 GB drives for 2200 dollars with Solaris. If my servers ran on Solaris, I would certainly buy them in favour of PC servers. Even the price factor does not hold. SCO Unix was also very user friendly - easy to install and do nothing to maintain. I believe that there is a mental block against Unix, which I also had for some time. I must admit that it was 'not my opinion', but an acquired opinion from others (without really seeing what it is). Thomas
I have to disagree with you. Unix and Linux are mainly industrial strenght tools for professionals. I use Linux internally, and most things are done best with a command prompt. *nix was designed to enterprise level performance and stability and therefore has the easy of use trade off. Thomas George wrote: What makes Unix have a steep learning curve? 1.The file system. Imagine someone confronted with that. They would have to go to pathname.com to figure it out. 2. Most things are still installed and configured with .conf files, and you have to compile the programs yourself sometimes! The list goes on and on. Believe me, I'm not against Unix, but it has no place on the desktop of the average user.