Demotivating geeks
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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My mind wandered while I was reading this and I started coding in my head. I really enjoyed it but I don't remember past #6.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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unfortunately, you geeks are a dime a dozen these days... don't get too smart with your mouth
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When the 1-voters descend upon you, how bad can it get[^]? :laugh: :doh:
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I love that site design.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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When the 1-voters descend upon you, how bad can it get[^]? :laugh: :doh:
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Quite good if that field has any sort of pigeon population for decoying in :cool:. (BTW, the link was a 404 but I'm not sure if you meant it to be that)
Formula 1 - Short for "F1 Racing" - named after the standard "help" key in Windows, it's a sport where participants desperately search through software help files trying to find actual documentation. It's tedious and somewhat cruel, most matches ending in a draw as no participant is able to find anything helpful. - Shog9 Ed
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unfortunately, you geeks are a dime a dozen these days... don't get too smart with your mouth
Speaking of large groups of people that are a dime a dozen.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
but I still do it It's fun
No doubt it's fun, but there's no practical benefit to your career in pissing people off. Here's another angle to consider. When people are lying to you and you know it, say nothing and just nod your head. Believing that they're getting away with the BS, they won't raise their guard around you, and they'll often get sloppy in their fabrications. As time goes on, you'll find that you will occasionally have a serious tactical advantage in situations because you know the truth of what's going on and can prove it, all the while they assume that you're buying it hook line and sinker. Save that advantage for when it will actually benefit you, and then use it to the maximum effect because once you do, they will forever be more careful in your presence.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, you take 1 down, pass it around, 4294967295 bottles of beer on the wall. Awasu 2.2.3 [^]: A free RSS/Atom feed reader with support for Code Project.
Here's my addition: Geeks don't like being considered exchangeable commodities that can be plugged into any part of a project. Yet they call themselves "geeks" to lump themselves into a group and indicate that they're all the same and have all the same personality traits.
Logifusion[^] If not entertaining, write your Congressman.
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
but I still do it It's fun
No doubt it's fun, but there's no practical benefit to your career in pissing people off. Here's another angle to consider. When people are lying to you and you know it, say nothing and just nod your head. Believing that they're getting away with the BS, they won't raise their guard around you, and they'll often get sloppy in their fabrications. As time goes on, you'll find that you will occasionally have a serious tactical advantage in situations because you know the truth of what's going on and can prove it, all the while they assume that you're buying it hook line and sinker. Save that advantage for when it will actually benefit you, and then use it to the maximum effect because once you do, they will forever be more careful in your presence.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
No doubt it's fun, but there's no practical benefit to your career in pissing people off.
I only ever did it when my contract was about to expire and I didn't want to renew :-) Now that I'm running Awasu, it's less of a problem...
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
A friend of mine is middle management and recently was told to tell the people under him that the company's new insurance plan was going to save them money (even though it cost them double). He refused for this very reason and got in a bit of trouble over it.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
He refused for this very reason
Anyway, good choice.
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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Very good, and I'm truely sorry that I mistakingly voted you a 1, [zombie voice]need sleep[/zombie voice], even though it's only 3:25PM :omg:
Formula 1 - Short for "F1 Racing" - named after the standard "help" key in Windows, it's a sport where participants desperately search through software help files trying to find actual documentation. It's tedious and somewhat cruel, most matches ending in a draw as no participant is able to find anything helpful. - Shog9 Ed
I voted 5, to make up for you :)
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighist -
The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, you take 1 down, pass it around, 4294967295 bottles of beer on the wall. Awasu 2.2.3 [^]: A free RSS/Atom feed reader with support for Code Project.
"Another thing to remember: misusing terminology implicitly insults a geek’s intelligence. “Oh, that problem can be solved easily! Just re-instance the variable with a generic!” Huh? If you don’t know the answer to a problem, don’t offer your opinion — particularly if you’re not a geek yourself, or if you don’t have the domain knowledge required to contribute. Don’t believe that by clobbering together a bunch of language keywords that you’ll convince anyone (particularly someone who understands what all those words mean) that you know what you’re talking about." Man, ain't that the truth! I can't stand when a non-technical manager tries to talk shop. X| It hurts my brain.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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Speaking of large groups of people that are a dime a dozen.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Speaking of large groups of people that are a dime a dozen.
:laugh: We're venturing into Soapbox material here! Whoa!
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
A friend of mine is middle management and recently was told to tell the people under him that the company's new insurance plan was going to save them money (even though it cost them double). He refused for this very reason and got in a bit of trouble over it.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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"Another thing to remember: misusing terminology implicitly insults a geek’s intelligence. “Oh, that problem can be solved easily! Just re-instance the variable with a generic!” Huh? If you don’t know the answer to a problem, don’t offer your opinion — particularly if you’re not a geek yourself, or if you don’t have the domain knowledge required to contribute. Don’t believe that by clobbering together a bunch of language keywords that you’ll convince anyone (particularly someone who understands what all those words mean) that you know what you’re talking about." Man, ain't that the truth! I can't stand when a non-technical manager tries to talk shop. X| It hurts my brain.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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#9 is very relevant for me. At the company I work at you have to be a manager to be listened to by other managers. In a meeting I was attending as the "technical expert", the managers were discussing how to fix a problem (Ironic since I was the only technical person in the room). In response to the phrase "What do we do?" I told them how to fix the problem. They barly looked at me. My boss repeated, almost word for word, what I said and it was the greatest thing any of the other managers had ever heard. I now refuse to go to meetings as the "technical expert".
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#9 is very relevant for me. At the company I work at you have to be a manager to be listened to by other managers. In a meeting I was attending as the "technical expert", the managers were discussing how to fix a problem (Ironic since I was the only technical person in the room). In response to the phrase "What do we do?" I told them how to fix the problem. They barly looked at me. My boss repeated, almost word for word, what I said and it was the greatest thing any of the other managers had ever heard. I now refuse to go to meetings as the "technical expert".
The possibility exists that you might have been heard if you knew how to speak their language.
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, you take 1 down, pass it around, 4294967295 bottles of beer on the wall. Awasu 2.2.3 [^]: A free RSS/Atom feed reader with support for Code Project.
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I voted 5, to make up for you :)
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighist -
The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)
[Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.
Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P
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7 and 9 are the ones that hit closest to home. In fact, today I'm working on fixing errors on a system that should never have seen the light of day. :sigh:
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