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  • T Taka Muraoka

    The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)

    [Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.

    Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P


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    charlieg
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    oh dear, Microsoft is demotivating me.... ;P

    Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW.

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      I voted 5, to make up for you :)


      Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
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      Ed Poore
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      Thank you, always feel bad when I click the wrong one by mistake, maybe they should have the 5 on the right of the post and the 1 on the left...


      As of how to accomplish this I wouldn't have a clue at the moment and I'm too lazy to google it

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      • T Taka Muraoka

        The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)

        [Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.

        Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P


        0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, you take 1 down, pass it around, 4294967295 bottles of beer on the wall. Awasu 2.2.3 [^]: A free RSS/Atom feed reader with support for Code Project.

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        David Stone
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        7 and 9 are the ones that hit closest to home. In fact, today I'm working on fixing errors on a system that should never have seen the light of day. :sigh:

        225 years ago, we set an example for the rest of the world by creating a country where everyone could vote...
        Well, except for women and black people, but we fixed that!
        -Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows

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        • C Christopher Duncan

          The possibility exists that you might have been heard if you knew how to speak their language.

          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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          Joe Q
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          Christopher Duncan wrote:

          The possibility exists that you might have been heard if you knew how to speak their language.

          Possibly, except for 2 things. My boss didn't know enough except to say almost exactly the same thing I had said and, as my boss pointed out to me later, the corprate culture is still very much rank based. I'm not the same "rank" as they are, I'm not invited to the same meetings as they are, and I don't have an office with a door or free coffee. My boss listens to me because I've helped him in the past and he know's I'll help him in the future. This company is consistantly behind the times. Corprate inertia doesn't allow much change very easily. It will move into the 90's someday, but until then, it will be a class system.

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          • D David Stone

            7 and 9 are the ones that hit closest to home. In fact, today I'm working on fixing errors on a system that should never have seen the light of day. :sigh:

            225 years ago, we set an example for the rest of the world by creating a country where everyone could vote...
            Well, except for women and black people, but we fixed that!
            -Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows

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            Josh Smith
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            Perhaps this[^] might help. ;)

            :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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            • J Josh Smith

              Perhaps this[^] might help. ;)

              :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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              David Stone
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              Hehehe. That's slick. I want. :)

              225 years ago, we set an example for the rest of the world by creating a country where everyone could vote...
              Well, except for women and black people, but we fixed that!
              -Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows

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                Sometimes customers make stupid requests because they don’t understand what they want, or they don’t understand what they’re asking for How amazingly true. :laugh:

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                BC3Tech
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                Interestingly enough, my boss did all of the things listed in the Top 10 to De-Motivate, and none of the things in the Top 10 to Motivate. He's now my former boss and left with only one developer - and you can virtually watch the company crumble under his lies and misdirection of both employees and customers.

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                • J Joe Q

                  in response on how to fix something, anytime almost anyone says the phrase "All you do is..." I know they don't know what they're talking about.

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                  Lost User
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                  Joe Q wrote:

                  "All you do is..."

                  Or, "It would be really easy to...."

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                  • J Joe Q

                    At the company I work at, we have a way of telling when management is lying to us...they're talking!

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                    Polymorpher
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                    LMAO

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                    • T Taka Muraoka

                      The Top Ten ways[^]. Number 3 is particularly relevant for me :^)

                      [Y]ou should never, ever, ever lie to them. Geeks spend the grand majority of their time dealing with factual data that is constrained by logic. They are also likely to be able to follow logic through multiple complex stages. If you do decide to lie to a geek, don’t ever go back on your statements, and don’t try to layer more lies on top. Geeks will be able to reason their way through your nonsense, and being naturally cynical, they will start to disbelieve everything you say.

                      Any time a marketing drone or BA has tried to bullshit me, I can't help myself and just punch holes in their "arguments" faster than you can say "swiss cheese". I learnt a long time ago that they tend to hate you for it rather than bowing down before your superior reasoning skills but I still do it :laugh: It's fun ;P


                      0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, you take 1 down, pass it around, 4294967295 bottles of beer on the wall. Awasu 2.2.3 [^]: A free RSS/Atom feed reader with support for Code Project.

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                      Nate Kohari
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                      Thanks for everyone's interest in the de-motivation article. I've been surprised how closely it hit home with a lot of people. I may do a follow-up with some other ideas people have given me since I wrote the original piece; if you'd like to contribute suggestions, I'd be happy to credit you. Nate Kohari http://kohari.org/

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                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                        I love that site design.

                        A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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                        Nate Kohari
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                        Talking about my site? I stole it too. :) It's a slightly-tweaked version of 3k2.

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