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  • R Red Stateler

    dennisd45 wrote:

    Are you suggesting we institute loyalty oaths, compel people to inform against their neighbors and the like? That was McCarthyism. If he was such a hero to the people, why did Eisenhower shut him down? Knowing that McCarthyism was a stain on this country DOES NOT in any way mean I want Muslim extremists holding key government positions.

    Loyalty oaths? Like the Pledge of Allegiance? Like the oath every federal government official has to take when accepting a job? Ummm..Yes. Now answer my question...Do you believe that Muslim Extremists should be allowed to hold key government positions? You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

    dennisd45 wrote:

    So? We are talking about Nicaragua.

    And their sham election. You know...the kinds that leftists have.

    dennisd45 wrote:

    The supreme court has recently ruled clearly against Bush in his war on terrorism.

    Duh, I already said that. However, the Supreme Court has not ruled that classified information related to national security can be legally exposed, which is what the NYT did several times.


    "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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    espeir wrote:

    You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

    :^) Ah, is that the reinvigorated smell of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee?

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      espeir wrote:

      I call them "Pinko Commie Scum". It's more descriptive.

      See your dentist lately? A couple of cavities could help with the signal problems... But really, you're saying you feel threatened by communists? Who are these lurking commies that threaten our sacred democracy? It's not the left - they participate in open elections and accept victory or defeat depending on the outcome. Seriously though - maybe you are concerned about Cuba and North Korea? I mean a couple of North Korean nukes setup on Cuba to replace the old Soviet ones and some "free" oil from good ol' Hue Chavez to fill the tanks and they're all ripe for invasion. Why don't you lobby congress about it? I mean, it's not like the missles even have to be there. Just quote the Iraq precedent and claim they are actually there! It worked before, you know. I mean, Cuba is a nice place - sun, sand, warm weather, good education too I hear. Just grab it - two days of invasion, max. Think of the expansion room for Guantanamo. You could use the entire island!

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      thealj wrote:

      But really, you're saying you feel threatened by communists? Who are these lurking commies that threaten our sacred democracy? It's not the left - they participate in open elections and accept victory or defeat depending on the outcome.

      No, but the country did used to feel threatened by them in the same way that we now feel threatened by Muslim Extremists. Both were reasonable fears, too. However, the left does NOT paticipate in legitimate elections. They have a long and rich history of undermining fair and democratic elections. Just look at Mexico right now. I am first and foremost opposed to anybody who intends to strip the will of the people (and secondarily to people who want to impose leftist ideals). The first is a greater threat and is something often attempted by the left (it's hard to go an election even here in the US in which the left commits fraud then accuses the right of doing it). It's even a leftist ideal to strip Americans of democratic rights (just ask Vincent Reynolds).


      "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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        espeir wrote:

        You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

        :^) Ah, is that the reinvigorated smell of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee?

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        thealj wrote:

        Ah, is that the reinvigorated smell of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee?

        That little organization was good. It's only condemned by the left because they sympathize with Communists. Of course, they won't apply the same standard to Nazis or Muslim Extremists. :rolleyes:


        "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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        • R Red Stateler

          dennisd45 wrote:

          Are you suggesting we institute loyalty oaths, compel people to inform against their neighbors and the like? That was McCarthyism. If he was such a hero to the people, why did Eisenhower shut him down? Knowing that McCarthyism was a stain on this country DOES NOT in any way mean I want Muslim extremists holding key government positions.

          Loyalty oaths? Like the Pledge of Allegiance? Like the oath every federal government official has to take when accepting a job? Ummm..Yes. Now answer my question...Do you believe that Muslim Extremists should be allowed to hold key government positions? You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

          dennisd45 wrote:

          So? We are talking about Nicaragua.

          And their sham election. You know...the kinds that leftists have.

          dennisd45 wrote:

          The supreme court has recently ruled clearly against Bush in his war on terrorism.

          Duh, I already said that. However, the Supreme Court has not ruled that classified information related to national security can be legally exposed, which is what the NYT did several times.


          "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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          espeir wrote:

          Loyalty oaths? Like the Pledge of Allegiance? Like the oath every federal government official has to take when accepting a job? Ummm..Yes. Now answer my question...Do you believe that Muslim Extremists should be allowed to hold key government positions? You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

          Clearly, you haven't a clue about McCarthy and his times. Here is my answer: No. You cannot infer from this answer that I support McCarthy or his methods. Actually you cannot infer anything at all. Now, answer my question: If McCarthy was such a patriot why did Eisenhower shut him down?

          espeir wrote:

          dennisd45 wrote: So? We are talking about Nicaragua. And their sham election. You know...the kinds that leftists have.

          Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history?

          No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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            thealj wrote:

            But really, you're saying you feel threatened by communists? Who are these lurking commies that threaten our sacred democracy? It's not the left - they participate in open elections and accept victory or defeat depending on the outcome.

            No, but the country did used to feel threatened by them in the same way that we now feel threatened by Muslim Extremists. Both were reasonable fears, too. However, the left does NOT paticipate in legitimate elections. They have a long and rich history of undermining fair and democratic elections. Just look at Mexico right now. I am first and foremost opposed to anybody who intends to strip the will of the people (and secondarily to people who want to impose leftist ideals). The first is a greater threat and is something often attempted by the left (it's hard to go an election even here in the US in which the left commits fraud then accuses the right of doing it). It's even a leftist ideal to strip Americans of democratic rights (just ask Vincent Reynolds).


            "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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            espeir wrote:

            No, but the country did used to feel threatened by them in the same way that we now feel threatened by Muslim Extremists. Both were reasonable fears, too.

            Oh come on. McCarthyism was nothing more than fear mongering. For God sakes, they brought Oppenheimer before the committee and he spearheaded the Manhattan project. You know - he "fathered" those things you used to keep the commies at bay. They even brought Bohm before the committee too. Totally ridiculous and borderline mass paranoia. But if you are proud of your political ancestry, who am I to strip your will from you. :rolleyes: If you think a leftist agenda carries the same weight (threat-wise) as Islamic extremism, then you need to review your notes from Socialism 101; unless, of course, you are too afraid to have kept them. But then again, why should you be? It's not like the right would persecute you for that, right? I mean, they certainly wouldn't want to strip any freedom away from you under the guise of that Patriot Act thingy you've got going there. No, in fact, they'd probably give you a good solid pat on the head for raising the alarm - to...what is it now... "PINKO" or something?

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              espeir wrote:

              Loyalty oaths? Like the Pledge of Allegiance? Like the oath every federal government official has to take when accepting a job? Ummm..Yes. Now answer my question...Do you believe that Muslim Extremists should be allowed to hold key government positions? You can go either way on this, but I want to know where you stand, because it says a lot.

              Clearly, you haven't a clue about McCarthy and his times. Here is my answer: No. You cannot infer from this answer that I support McCarthy or his methods. Actually you cannot infer anything at all. Now, answer my question: If McCarthy was such a patriot why did Eisenhower shut him down?

              espeir wrote:

              dennisd45 wrote: So? We are talking about Nicaragua. And their sham election. You know...the kinds that leftists have.

              Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history?

              No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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              dennisd45 wrote:

              Clearly, you haven't a clue about McCarthy and his times. Here is my answer: No. You cannot infer from this answer that I support McCarthy or his methods. Actually you cannot infer anything at all. Now, answer my question: If McCarthy was such a patriot why did Eisenhower shut him down?

              So then why do you refuse to answer my question? Do you then support Nazis and Muslim Extremists in key positions of our government in the same what that you support Communists in those positions? And Eisenhower (A Republican) was constitutionally not capable of shutting down McCarthy's hearings. McCarthy withered away because he was a jerk and lost political power after a while. Nobody likes jerks. Republicans didn't even care for him all that much either. However, McCarthyism was not a big deal or very influential. Today liberals make a big deal about it for one reason...They sympathize with the victims...Communists. You continue to refuse to state that you believe Nazis and Communists should hold key government positions.

              dennisd45 wrote:

              Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history?

              Gave up power? They won in a landslide victory. Kind of like Castro.


              "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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              • R Red Stateler

                thealj wrote:

                Ah, is that the reinvigorated smell of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee?

                That little organization was good. It's only condemned by the left because they sympathize with Communists. Of course, they won't apply the same standard to Nazis or Muslim Extremists. :rolleyes:


                "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                espeir wrote:

                Of course, they won't apply the same standard to Nazis or Muslim Extremists.

                Oh, I don't know. I hear they have just renamed it to the "Patriot Act" or something like that. It probably never actually was dissolved.

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                  espeir wrote:

                  No, but the country did used to feel threatened by them in the same way that we now feel threatened by Muslim Extremists. Both were reasonable fears, too.

                  Oh come on. McCarthyism was nothing more than fear mongering. For God sakes, they brought Oppenheimer before the committee and he spearheaded the Manhattan project. You know - he "fathered" those things you used to keep the commies at bay. They even brought Bohm before the committee too. Totally ridiculous and borderline mass paranoia. But if you are proud of your political ancestry, who am I to strip your will from you. :rolleyes: If you think a leftist agenda carries the same weight (threat-wise) as Islamic extremism, then you need to review your notes from Socialism 101; unless, of course, you are too afraid to have kept them. But then again, why should you be? It's not like the right would persecute you for that, right? I mean, they certainly wouldn't want to strip any freedom away from you under the guise of that Patriot Act thingy you've got going there. No, in fact, they'd probably give you a good solid pat on the head for raising the alarm - to...what is it now... "PINKO" or something?

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                  thealj wrote:

                  Oh come on. McCarthyism was nothing more than fear mongering. For God sakes, they brought Oppenheimer before the committee and he spearheaded the Manhattan project. You know - he "fathered" those things you used to keep the commies at bay. They even brought Bohm before the committee too. Totally ridiculous and borderline mass paranoia. But if you are proud of your political ancestry, who am I to strip your will from you.

                  It was fear-mongering designed to boost McCarthy's career. However, that does not mean that the fear of Communism was unfounded. The USSR was attempting to spread Communism all over the world (many times it was successful) via quiet and covert means. But again, McCarthyism was insignificant grandstanding to help some Senator and pales in comparison to modern left-wing accusations. The only reason the left focuses on McCarthyism is because they are sympathetic to the accused...Communists. If McCarty was hunting Nazis, I'd still call it political grandstanding and you'd call it a triumph in American history.

                  thealj wrote:

                  If you think a leftist agenda carries the same weight (threat-wise) as Islamic extremism, then you need to review your notes from Socialism 101; unless, of course, you are too afraid to have kept them. But then again, why should you be? It's not like the right would persecute you for that, right? I mean, they certainly wouldn't want to strip any freedom away from you under the guise of that Patriot Act thingy you've got going there. No, in fact, they'd probably give you a good solid pat on the head for raising the alarm - to...what is it now... "PINKO" or something?

                  Yeah, it's not like there were several dozen USSR-funded Communist coups around the world. :rolleyes:


                  "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                    espeir wrote:

                    Of course, they won't apply the same standard to Nazis or Muslim Extremists.

                    Oh, I don't know. I hear they have just renamed it to the "Patriot Act" or something like that. It probably never actually was dissolved.

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                    That's be cool, but unfortunately the Patriot Act doesn't flush out the "liberal threat". It only targets people blowing up buildings and such.


                    "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                    • R Red Stateler

                      thealj wrote:

                      Oh come on. McCarthyism was nothing more than fear mongering. For God sakes, they brought Oppenheimer before the committee and he spearheaded the Manhattan project. You know - he "fathered" those things you used to keep the commies at bay. They even brought Bohm before the committee too. Totally ridiculous and borderline mass paranoia. But if you are proud of your political ancestry, who am I to strip your will from you.

                      It was fear-mongering designed to boost McCarthy's career. However, that does not mean that the fear of Communism was unfounded. The USSR was attempting to spread Communism all over the world (many times it was successful) via quiet and covert means. But again, McCarthyism was insignificant grandstanding to help some Senator and pales in comparison to modern left-wing accusations. The only reason the left focuses on McCarthyism is because they are sympathetic to the accused...Communists. If McCarty was hunting Nazis, I'd still call it political grandstanding and you'd call it a triumph in American history.

                      thealj wrote:

                      If you think a leftist agenda carries the same weight (threat-wise) as Islamic extremism, then you need to review your notes from Socialism 101; unless, of course, you are too afraid to have kept them. But then again, why should you be? It's not like the right would persecute you for that, right? I mean, they certainly wouldn't want to strip any freedom away from you under the guise of that Patriot Act thingy you've got going there. No, in fact, they'd probably give you a good solid pat on the head for raising the alarm - to...what is it now... "PINKO" or something?

                      Yeah, it's not like there were several dozen USSR-funded Communist coups around the world. :rolleyes:


                      "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                      espeir wrote:

                      The only reason the left focuses on McCarthyism is because they are sympathetic to the accused...Communists. If McCarty was hunting Nazis, I'd still call it political grandstanding and you'd call it a triumph in American history.

                      So, much like a sympathetic leftist, since you are not on the front lines in Iraq killing terrorists, this means you sympathize with them as you aren't killing them like a happy and obedient Soldier of the Right would be doing. I smell pinko. :^)

                      espeir wrote:

                      Yeah, it's not like there were several dozen USSR-funded Communist coups around the world.

                      Well, let's take stock of communist countries. I think there are perhaps a whopping THREE of them? Clearly they are destined to rule. I think I'll go shudder in my two left boots.

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                        espeir wrote:

                        The only reason the left focuses on McCarthyism is because they are sympathetic to the accused...Communists. If McCarty was hunting Nazis, I'd still call it political grandstanding and you'd call it a triumph in American history.

                        So, much like a sympathetic leftist, since you are not on the front lines in Iraq killing terrorists, this means you sympathize with them as you aren't killing them like a happy and obedient Soldier of the Right would be doing. I smell pinko. :^)

                        espeir wrote:

                        Yeah, it's not like there were several dozen USSR-funded Communist coups around the world.

                        Well, let's take stock of communist countries. I think there are perhaps a whopping THREE of them? Clearly they are destined to rule. I think I'll go shudder in my two left boots.

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                        thealj wrote:

                        So, much like a sympathetic leftist, since you are not on the front lines in Iraq killing terrorists, this means you sympathize with them as you aren't killing them like a happy and obedient Soldier of the Right would be doing. I smell pinko.

                        I don't get it.

                        thealj wrote:

                        Well, let's take stock of communist countries. I think there are perhaps a whopping THREE of them? Clearly they are destined to rule. I think I'll go shudder in my two left boots.

                        Yes there are now. However, during the Cold War there were numerous more. Encroachment was actually a real problem.


                        "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                        • R Red Stateler

                          That's be cool, but unfortunately the Patriot Act doesn't flush out the "liberal threat". It only targets people blowing up buildings and such.


                          "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                          espeir wrote:

                          That's be cool

                          Hey, Ebonics! Are you crusading for cultural diversity now?

                          espeir wrote:

                          unfortunately the Patriot Act doesn't flush out the "liberal threat". It only targets people blowing up buildings and such.

                          Yeah, those crazy liberals, causing all that havoc and pumping out that endless rhetoric we have to tirelessly counter and debunk. Man, give me extremism any day...

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                            thealj wrote:

                            So, much like a sympathetic leftist, since you are not on the front lines in Iraq killing terrorists, this means you sympathize with them as you aren't killing them like a happy and obedient Soldier of the Right would be doing. I smell pinko.

                            I don't get it.

                            thealj wrote:

                            Well, let's take stock of communist countries. I think there are perhaps a whopping THREE of them? Clearly they are destined to rule. I think I'll go shudder in my two left boots.

                            Yes there are now. However, during the Cold War there were numerous more. Encroachment was actually a real problem.


                            "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                            espeir wrote:

                            I don't get it.

                            Hey - if you aren't persecuting (ie: killing) them, you're sympathizing with them. Remember McCarthyism? If you can't figure that out, maybe you belong with the left.

                            espeir wrote:

                            Yes there are now. However, during the Cold War there were numerous more. Encroachment was actually a real problem.

                            Centrally planned economies (read: communism) are self-defeating. There never really was any long-term threat. That is why the policy of mutually assured destruction was so successful. It was simply a waiting game - a wait sufficiently long for any communist state to self-implode. Why do you think China is allowing some free-market principles to encroach upon their beloved communist principles? They know where it's at.

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                              espeir wrote:

                              That's be cool

                              Hey, Ebonics! Are you crusading for cultural diversity now?

                              espeir wrote:

                              unfortunately the Patriot Act doesn't flush out the "liberal threat". It only targets people blowing up buildings and such.

                              Yeah, those crazy liberals, causing all that havoc and pumping out that endless rhetoric we have to tirelessly counter and debunk. Man, give me extremism any day...

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                              thealj wrote:

                              Hey, Ebonics! Are you crusading for cultural diversity now?

                              Straight up, yo. (The "d" is right next to the "s")

                              thealj wrote:

                              Yeah, those crazy liberals, causing all that havoc and pumping out that endless rhetoric we have to tirelessly counter and debunk. Man, give me extremism any day...

                              Conservatives have already successfully debunked liberalism. That's why we rule the world. We won the intellectual debate. Liberals, however, are now seeking to undermine US elections since they can't win with debate. For the time being, we'll do our best to make sure their cheating is kept to a minimum and prevent people from blowing up buildings.


                              "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                                espeir wrote:

                                I don't get it.

                                Hey - if you aren't persecuting (ie: killing) them, you're sympathizing with them. Remember McCarthyism? If you can't figure that out, maybe you belong with the left.

                                espeir wrote:

                                Yes there are now. However, during the Cold War there were numerous more. Encroachment was actually a real problem.

                                Centrally planned economies (read: communism) are self-defeating. There never really was any long-term threat. That is why the policy of mutually assured destruction was so successful. It was simply a waiting game - a wait sufficiently long for any communist state to self-implode. Why do you think China is allowing some free-market principles to encroach upon their beloved communist principles? They know where it's at.

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                                thealj wrote:

                                Hey - if you aren't persecuting (ie: killing) them, you're sympathizing with them. Remember McCarthyism? If you can't figure that out, maybe you belong with the left.

                                I admit I can't figure that out. McCarthy didn't kill anybody, nor did he equate not actively killing Communists to being one....So what's your point? Also note that these types of baseless accusations were what drove McCarthyism. They're regularly employed by the left.

                                thealj wrote:

                                Centrally planned economies (read: communism) are self-defeating. There never really was any long-term threat. That is why the policy of mutually assured destruction was so successful. It was simply a waiting game - a wait sufficiently long for any communist state to self-implode. Why do you think China is allowing some free-market principles to encroach upon their beloved communist principles? They know where it's at.

                                I agree that they're self-defeating, but the world was a different place under USSR-rule. America wanted to ensure that Communism did not take hold here for obvious reasons.


                                "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                                  Let's see (Republican) McCarthyism - Congressional hearings, blacklisting, careers destroyed, people informing on each other. Liberal McCarthyism - nasty blog posts. Oh the horror!

                                  No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                                  dennisd45 wrote:

                                  people informing on each other.

                                  But that must have been good. One of them went on to become president. Twice! :laugh:

                                  The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.

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                                    thealj wrote:

                                    Hey, Ebonics! Are you crusading for cultural diversity now?

                                    Straight up, yo. (The "d" is right next to the "s")

                                    thealj wrote:

                                    Yeah, those crazy liberals, causing all that havoc and pumping out that endless rhetoric we have to tirelessly counter and debunk. Man, give me extremism any day...

                                    Conservatives have already successfully debunked liberalism. That's why we rule the world. We won the intellectual debate. Liberals, however, are now seeking to undermine US elections since they can't win with debate. For the time being, we'll do our best to make sure their cheating is kept to a minimum and prevent people from blowing up buildings.


                                    "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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                                    espeir wrote:

                                    For the time being, we'll do our best to make sure their cheating is kept to a minimum and prevent people from blowing up buildings.

                                    You do that. I have a steak and beer to demolish now. I hear that the cow it came from was a communist sympathizer, but the beer was union brewed. I guess my meal is centre. I'll check in later.

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                                      led mike wrote:

                                      I must be having a moment but I still don't get the point

                                      okay - I guess I'm be obscure. Before I net it out, I need to give some back ground. I grew up a Democrat. My father was a blue collar union steelworker, a committed Democrat. In those days both parties cared deeply about the defense of the country. The differences were marginal, especially in my youth which was immediately post-WWII. In the Veitnam era the Demoract part became nearly violently anti-war and stayed that way for a long time. Carter was the epitome, anti-war and a cowardly leader combined. Clinton for all his moral mishaps brought the Democrat party to the middle where the majority of Americans live - that is why, even with his moral turpitude the majority of the country stood behind him. The Iraq war is bringing the nut job Democrats out of the wood work pushing good men like Leiberman aside. Instead of working with the current administration to bring about a decent out come they're pushing solely for political gain, much like the bemoaned McCathyites (Republicans) did on the push against communism. Lanny Davis is decrying that extremism. Remember, he's a loyal Democrat but a Democrat who lives in the middle and not the extreme left (Dean, Soros, Lamont). Lanny is one of the first to speak up, and that is good. But watch the primaries. If the Democrats continue running to the left, dropping Leiberman in favor of Lamont then you'll see bigger Republican majorities because of the two choices that is the logical place for the middle to go.

                                      Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced

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                                      Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                      If the Democrats continue running to the left, dropping Leiberman in favor of Lamont then you'll see bigger Republican majorities because of the two choices that is the logical place for the middle to go.

                                      I disagree. After all the incompetence and corruption, you'd think most Americans would throw the bums out and vote Democratic. However, the Republicans have gotten very good at winning elections with their sleazy fear-mongering tactics, so it wouldn't surprise me if their majority prevailed. Alvaro


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                                        Clearly, you haven't a clue about McCarthy and his times. Here is my answer: No. You cannot infer from this answer that I support McCarthy or his methods. Actually you cannot infer anything at all. Now, answer my question: If McCarthy was such a patriot why did Eisenhower shut him down?

                                        So then why do you refuse to answer my question? Do you then support Nazis and Muslim Extremists in key positions of our government in the same what that you support Communists in those positions? And Eisenhower (A Republican) was constitutionally not capable of shutting down McCarthy's hearings. McCarthy withered away because he was a jerk and lost political power after a while. Nobody likes jerks. Republicans didn't even care for him all that much either. However, McCarthyism was not a big deal or very influential. Today liberals make a big deal about it for one reason...They sympathize with the victims...Communists. You continue to refuse to state that you believe Nazis and Communists should hold key government positions.

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                                        Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history?

                                        Gave up power? They won in a landslide victory. Kind of like Castro.


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                                        So then why do you refuse to answer my question?

                                        You must be blind, along with all the rest of your infirmities. Reread my post, the answer is clearly marked.

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                                        Do you then support Nazis and Muslim Extremists in key positions of our government in the same what that you support Communists in those positions?

                                        A troll question. Get serious.

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                                        Today liberals make a big deal about it for one reason...They sympathize with the victims...Communists.

                                        Your ignorance of history is truly astounding. His victims were not communists. I am finished with this topic. McCarthy was a little monster and the people whose lives he damaged or destroyed were innocent victims, and you are alone in believing that he is some sort of hero.

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                                        dennisd45 wrote: Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history? Gave up power? They won in a landslide victory. Kind of like Castro.

                                        Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power.

                                        No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                          If the Democrats continue running to the left, dropping Leiberman in favor of Lamont then you'll see bigger Republican majorities because of the two choices that is the logical place for the middle to go.

                                          I disagree. After all the incompetence and corruption, you'd think most Americans would throw the bums out and vote Democratic. However, the Republicans have gotten very good at winning elections with their sleazy fear-mongering tactics, so it wouldn't surprise me if their majority prevailed. Alvaro


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                                          Alvaro Mendez wrote:

                                          I disagree. After all the incompetence and corruption, you'd think most Americans would throw the bums out and vote Democratic. However, the Republicans have gotten very good at winning elections with their sleazy fear-mongering tactics, so it wouldn't surprise me if their majority prevailed.

                                          The Republicans definitely need to be punished for their reckless spending habits, but electing Democrats instead is like shooting yourself in the head because you stubbed your toe.


                                          "I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45

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