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  • 7 73Zeppelin

    Aw, how cute. Look at little Adnan putting it to the infidels like a good, obedient little radical muslim. Tell me, did they teach you such hate for the infidel in the radicalized madrassas, or did you stumble upon that discovery in the Qu'ran all by your little self? You know, I could have sworn you were male, but it appears as though it's "your time of the month" which would make you a female. Is the water retention making you fat and testy?

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    did you make a study of brown's movement?

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      Aw, how cute. Look at little Adnan putting it to the infidels like a good, obedient little radical muslim. Tell me, did they teach you such hate for the infidel in the radicalized madrassas, or did you stumble upon that discovery in the Qu'ran all by your little self? You know, I could have sworn you were male, but it appears as though it's "your time of the month" which would make you a female. Is the water retention making you fat and testy?

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      And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)

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        did you make a study of brown's movement?

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        Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

        did you make a study of brown's movement?

        Did you get any virgins yet? How many?

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          Mr.Prakash wrote:

          Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?

          Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.

          Mr.Prakash wrote:

          No religion is perfect

          it conflicts your previous statment.

          Mr.Prakash wrote:

          In the past Christian were also involved in such act

          no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.

          Mr.Prakash wrote:

          Muslim put their religion first and then nation.

          It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.

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          Muslim don’t belong to any nation

          that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.

          Mr.Prakash wrote:

          The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.

          *clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:

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          Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

          It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides.

          See my post above but you are misinformed on this point. My primary loyalty (at this level) lies with the UK other than where it would conflict directly with being a Jew. For instance, if the UK were to go to war with Israel or a government elected that was anti-semitic in nature and actively persecuted Jews I'd have a dilemna. What I would never do, however and whatever the provocation, is strap a bomb round my waist and kill people or attempt to do so. On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.

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            Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

            did you make a study of brown's movement?

            Did you get any virgins yet? How many?

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            why are you worried about virgins?didn't you guys find any virgin at time of marriage?or you just guys used to adapt a *2nd hand stuff*? teach some moral lesson to men and women of your society so that you can also enjoy a *virgin* woman as a wife.

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              If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006


              -Prakash

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              What a load of crap.

              Mr.Prakash wrote:

              most of the terrorists are Muslims

              Most terrorists have coffee coloured skin and come from Asia. Lets face it, Asians are a failed race. As are coffee coloured people, they are a failed skin tone.

              Mr.Prakash wrote:

              but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.

              That is the point of a religion you know.

              Mr.Prakash wrote:

              Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens

              Thats is the stupidest thing I have seen for a long time. A religion that unites countries is naturally harmonious.

              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006


                -Prakash

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                Mr.Prakash wrote:

                you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims

                :laugh: good one.

                Mr.Prakash wrote:

                but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.

                Not entirely, their nations are just built on religion.

                Mr.Prakash wrote:

                The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.

                No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...

                I've found a living worth working for, but I haven't found work worth living for. :beer:
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                  my 5 to you CG. you shouldnt expect from aethist to take *GOD* as most important element in life.

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                  Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                  you shouldnt expect from aethist to take *GOD* as most important element in life.

                  No, only the mujaheddin do that. That's why we're infidels, remember? Anyways, putting your radical Islam views aside, since you are a master of Brownian motion, perhaps you can tell this humble student the answer to the following question I have been struggling with during my studies of, what did you call it?, oh yeah: "Browns motion". :rolleyes: Please tell me, oh enlightened one: Assuming stochastic volatility, does Girsanov's theorem guarantee that we can eliminate the drift from Brownian motion under the equivalent martingale measure, or does it lack the Markov property making such a transform impossible? It's in the Qu'ran, so you should be able to answer this one all easy-peasy like.

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                    why are you worried about virgins?didn't you guys find any virgin at time of marriage?or you just guys used to adapt a *2nd hand stuff*? teach some moral lesson to men and women of your society so that you can also enjoy a *virgin* woman as a wife.

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                    Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                    why are you worried about virgins?didn't you guys find any virgin at time of marriage?or you just guys used to adapt a *2nd hand stuff*? teach some moral lesson to men and women of your society so that you can also enjoy a *virgin* woman as a wife.

                    No, really ... how many do you expect to get? Is it like, one per infidel killed or what? What's the deal here? I'm curious. Can they be like, first cousins too or is that no longer fashionable these days?

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                      Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                      It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides.

                      See my post above but you are misinformed on this point. My primary loyalty (at this level) lies with the UK other than where it would conflict directly with being a Jew. For instance, if the UK were to go to war with Israel or a government elected that was anti-semitic in nature and actively persecuted Jews I'd have a dilemna. What I would never do, however and whatever the provocation, is strap a bomb round my waist and kill people or attempt to do so. On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.

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                      *You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.

                      digital man wrote:

                      On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.

                      Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.

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                        Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                        you shouldnt expect from aethist to take *GOD* as most important element in life.

                        No, only the mujaheddin do that. That's why we're infidels, remember? Anyways, putting your radical Islam views aside, since you are a master of Brownian motion, perhaps you can tell this humble student the answer to the following question I have been struggling with during my studies of, what did you call it?, oh yeah: "Browns motion". :rolleyes: Please tell me, oh enlightened one: Assuming stochastic volatility, does Girsanov's theorem guarantee that we can eliminate the drift from Brownian motion under the equivalent martingale measure, or does it lack the Markov property making such a transform impossible? It's in the Qu'ran, so you should be able to answer this one all easy-peasy like.

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                        No, only the mujaheddin do that. That's why we're infidels, remember?

                        you have really transformed to a moron espeir/pumpkinHead.I feel sory for you thealJ Ask any christians the importance of God in his life.You never got chance to read Bible in your life. Do you believe in Bible?

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                        • A Adnan Siddiqi

                          And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)

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                          Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                          And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)

                          I don't use the voting system. Sorry. By the way, are honour killings alot of work? I mean, do they require lots of advance planning? Can I find out about this in the Qu'ran? Where do I look? On a side note, do you get many virgin vouchers for participation in these events? I'm just trying to learn all aspects of your culture so I can be less of an infidel.

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                            Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                            why are you worried about virgins?didn't you guys find any virgin at time of marriage?or you just guys used to adapt a *2nd hand stuff*? teach some moral lesson to men and women of your society so that you can also enjoy a *virgin* woman as a wife.

                            No, really ... how many do you expect to get? Is it like, one per infidel killed or what? What's the deal here? I'm curious. Can they be like, first cousins too or is that no longer fashionable these days?

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                            No, really

                            oh no virgins for you.Tsk tsk.What pathetic society do you belong.I can understand your despration which put you down to the level which you deserve.Keep staying in loo for a while.

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                              thealj wrote:

                              No, only the mujaheddin do that. That's why we're infidels, remember?

                              you have really transformed to a moron espeir/pumpkinHead.I feel sory for you thealJ Ask any christians the importance of God in his life.You never got chance to read Bible in your life. Do you believe in Bible?

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                              Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                              you have really transformed to a moron espeir/pumpkinHead.I feel sory for you thealJ

                              :laugh: Since when did you have respect for an infidel? What, now I'm supposed to imagine you thought positively of me? Your actions on this message board have amply demonstrated otherwise. No, to you I am and always have been an infidel. Yes, you are that transparent. But seriously, help me with the question on "Brown's motion". I know you know all about it.

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                                thealj wrote:

                                No, really

                                oh no virgins for you.Tsk tsk.What pathetic society do you belong.I can understand your despration which put you down to the level which you deserve.Keep staying in loo for a while.

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                                Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                oh no virgins for you.

                                Oh well, being an infidel I guess I just don't have what it takes to commit a suicide attack. Sorry to disappoint, old bean!

                                Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                What pathetic society do you belong.I can understand your despration which put you down to the level which you deserve.Keep staying in loo for a while.

                                Ah, your true nature is revealed! You seriously believe your society/culture/religion is the greatest. You're not about peace and acceptance you're about superiority. Good for you! I think I've illustrated my point and am done with this thread.

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                                  Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                  And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)

                                  I don't use the voting system. Sorry. By the way, are honour killings alot of work? I mean, do they require lots of advance planning? Can I find out about this in the Qu'ran? Where do I look? On a side note, do you get many virgin vouchers for participation in these events? I'm just trying to learn all aspects of your culture so I can be less of an infidel.

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                                  thealj wrote:

                                  re honour killings alot of work?

                                  :laugh::laugh: Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)

                                  thealj wrote:

                                  an infide

                                  Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you?:rolleyes: Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?;)

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                                    Mr.Prakash wrote:

                                    you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims

                                    :laugh: good one.

                                    Mr.Prakash wrote:

                                    but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.

                                    Not entirely, their nations are just built on religion.

                                    Mr.Prakash wrote:

                                    The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.

                                    No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...

                                    I've found a living worth working for, but I haven't found work worth living for. :beer:
                                    :jig:

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                                    V. wrote:

                                    No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...

                                    It failed to make the belivers live peacefully with other religion. It failed to make the belivers from taking innocent lives.


                                    -Prakash

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                                      thealj wrote:

                                      re honour killings alot of work?

                                      :laugh::laugh: Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)

                                      thealj wrote:

                                      an infide

                                      Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you?:rolleyes: Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?;)

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                                      Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                      Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)

                                      Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them! Many cases of honor killings have been reported in Pakistan [...] Critics argue that the practice is over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. See[^]!

                                      Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                      Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you? Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?

                                      Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.

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                                        Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                        Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)

                                        Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them! Many cases of honor killings have been reported in Pakistan [...] Critics argue that the practice is over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. See[^]!

                                        Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                        Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you? Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?

                                        Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.

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                                        thealj wrote:

                                        Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them!

                                        But you were condemning Islam in previous post and associated honour killing with it?Stick to your words. noone deny asian countries ,specificually sub-continent has issues.in India 20m foetus were sold and it was reported in BBC.Someone like you would like to associate with Hindu or Sikh religion while it was all due to poverty. A humble request,make some study so that one can enjoy debating with you.Trolls cant be intresting for long.

                                        thealj wrote:

                                        Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.

                                        Then why are you keep discussing it?Take your *infiden* status normal as aethist? according to (http://www.answers.com/infidel&r=67) # Offensive. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam. # One who has no religious beliefs. # One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle. In this way i am an infidel of christianity and judaism or anyother religion except Islam. Calm down boy and concenrate on your studies.

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                                          *You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.

                                          digital man wrote:

                                          On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.

                                          Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.

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                                          Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                          *You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.

                                          Agreed: but every Jew I know (and I know a LOT) feels the same way inasmuch as levels of loyalty go. There are, as I said before, only one or two circumstances in which I would put Judaism above the country I and family were born and raised in and which provides very well for me and of which I am proud to be a part of. I am not looking to tear it apart from the inside out to conform to my world view.

                                          Adnan Siddiqi wrote:

                                          Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.

                                          The evidence would seem to say otherwise.

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