More fun with George Allen
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It always counts. You were the guys who were trying to excuse it yesterday.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
And we still are... [^] Thats because it is excusable. The man didn't do anything. He is innocent. He is not a racist, he is not a bigot. You leftists are just addicted to the herion of race. Even if Allen were a racist, it would not even rate among the top one thousand threats we face as a society. Racism simply is no longer that big of a deal in our society regardless of the silly extremes you guys go to to keep it alive. This is yet another perfect example of leftist fear mongering - trying to terrify the American people, especially the minorities you are so dependent upon, with racial propaganda. You don't care about terrorism, you don't care about any thing other than achieving your America hating agenda.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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And we still are... [^] Thats because it is excusable. The man didn't do anything. He is innocent. He is not a racist, he is not a bigot. You leftists are just addicted to the herion of race. Even if Allen were a racist, it would not even rate among the top one thousand threats we face as a society. Racism simply is no longer that big of a deal in our society regardless of the silly extremes you guys go to to keep it alive. This is yet another perfect example of leftist fear mongering - trying to terrify the American people, especially the minorities you are so dependent upon, with racial propaganda. You don't care about terrorism, you don't care about any thing other than achieving your America hating agenda.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Unfortunately for you, yesterday's article had nothing to do with the left. But I'll forgive you, your not capable of any other thought.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Unfortunately for you, yesterday's article had nothing to do with the left.
I never said it did. I merely said: Good God, will the left never tire of playing the race card? because I knew this was precisely the kind of issue that would be front page leftist news in the US for the next week.
dennisd45 wrote:
But I'll forgive you, your not capable of any other thought.
That is becuase the most serious threat we face is from the left. If we can rid ourselves of it, all the other problems will solve themselves rather quickly.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Defending racism. And throwing in the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' for good measure. Gotta love it.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Defending racism
Don't play that game with me asshole. I"m not defending anything. There was no racism to defend. You guys are creating it, as usual, out of whole cloth. And yes, that is a major part of the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy'.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Unfortunately for you, yesterday's article had nothing to do with the left.
I never said it did. I merely said: Good God, will the left never tire of playing the race card? because I knew this was precisely the kind of issue that would be front page leftist news in the US for the next week.
dennisd45 wrote:
But I'll forgive you, your not capable of any other thought.
That is becuase the most serious threat we face is from the left. If we can rid ourselves of it, all the other problems will solve themselves rather quickly.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Oh, right, of course, you were talking about what was going to happen in the future:rolleyes: Good, you haven't forgotten about the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' to "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids". Maybe that has already been done. The water has already been fluoridated. :laugh::laugh:
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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dennisd45 wrote:
Defending racism
Don't play that game with me asshole. I"m not defending anything. There was no racism to defend. You guys are creating it, as usual, out of whole cloth. And yes, that is a major part of the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy'.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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That's even better, deny that it's even racism. Just a little while ago you were agreeing it was racism. [^] And, of course, lets keep the conspiracy alive.:laugh:
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Just a little while ago you were agreeing it was racism.
I was being rhetorical. Just because you say its racism doesn't mean it is. What Bidin said was, in fact, far more racist than what Allen said even if he had known what the word meant. Allen directed his comment towards an individual as an individual, Biden directed his comments towards an entire group. I have no idea if Allen is a racist or not. But I absolutley know what you are and I am sick and tired of seeing good men kowtowing to the phoney morality of the left for every poorly choosen term. Take your little racial mantra and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Oh, right, of course, you were talking about what was going to happen in the future:rolleyes: Good, you haven't forgotten about the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' to "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids". Maybe that has already been done. The water has already been fluoridated. :laugh::laugh:
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Oh, right, of course, you were talking about what was going to happen in the future
Predicting the future isn't difficult when dealing with leftists. You are very predictable.
dennisd45 wrote:
Good, you haven't forgotten about the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' to "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids". Maybe that has already been done. The water has already been fluoridated.
I have well water, so that one doesn't concern me.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Just a little while ago you were agreeing it was racism.
I was being rhetorical. Just because you say its racism doesn't mean it is. What Bidin said was, in fact, far more racist than what Allen said even if he had known what the word meant. Allen directed his comment towards an individual as an individual, Biden directed his comments towards an entire group. I have no idea if Allen is a racist or not. But I absolutley know what you are and I am sick and tired of seeing good men kowtowing to the phoney morality of the left for every poorly choosen term. Take your little racial mantra and stick it where the sun don't shine.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just because you say its racism doesn't mean it is
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What Bidin said was, in fact, far more racist than what Allen said even if he had known what the word meant. Allen directed his comment towards an individual as an individual, Biden directed his comments towards an entire group.
It ain't racism, well, it is, but it's not as bad as some other racism. Is that what you mean, Stan? From Dr. Stragelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack. General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began? Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack. General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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dennisd45 wrote:
Oh, right, of course, you were talking about what was going to happen in the future
Predicting the future isn't difficult when dealing with leftists. You are very predictable.
dennisd45 wrote:
Good, you haven't forgotten about the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' to "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids". Maybe that has already been done. The water has already been fluoridated.
I have well water, so that one doesn't concern me.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Predicting the future isn't difficult when dealing with leftists. You are very predictable.
Yeah, when you put everybody in your little groups, you don't really have to think any more, do ya? I've kinda noticed that about you.:) -- modified at 23:43 Wednesday 16th August, 2006 I hope you were drinking well water as a kid as well:)
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Defending racism. And throwing in the 'Vast Left Wing Conspiracy' for good measure. Gotta love it.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
Jesse Jackson.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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Jesse Jackson.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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Old news. So I'll give some other old news: Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
You talk about "old news" and then mention someone who has been dead for a couple years and who died at about 100 and who was a Democrat when he fought civil rights? You amaze me sometimes. Jesse Jackson is CURRENTLY a left-wing leader bigwig in the Democratic party.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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You talk about "old news" and then mention someone who has been dead for a couple years and who died at about 100 and who was a Democrat when he fought civil rights? You amaze me sometimes. Jesse Jackson is CURRENTLY a left-wing leader bigwig in the Democratic party.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45 "Liberals do not exist. You invented them to facilitate your strawman arguments." -dennisd45 "The Communist Manifest was written 150 years ago. It has been rigorously tested and is accepted by left"
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dennisd45 wrote:
Unfortunately for you, yesterday's article had nothing to do with the left.
I never said it did. I merely said: Good God, will the left never tire of playing the race card? because I knew this was precisely the kind of issue that would be front page leftist news in the US for the next week.
dennisd45 wrote:
But I'll forgive you, your not capable of any other thought.
That is becuase the most serious threat we face is from the left. If we can rid ourselves of it, all the other problems will solve themselves rather quickly.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If we can rid ourselves of it [the left], all the other problems will solve themselves rather quickly.
That's true. Without the sanity of the left to keep you rightist wackos from destroying yourselves, you will reach an endpoint quickly.
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The Plank[^] This is a subscription site so here is the text: "ANNALS OF IMPLAUSIBILITY: According to the Hotline blog, George Allen has a new explanation: What does Macaca really mean? Three Virginia Republicans confirmed to the Hotline that several Allen campaign aides and advisers are telling allies that the word was a made-up, off-the-cuff neologism that these aides occasionally used to refer to tracker S.R. Sidarth well before last Saturday's videotaped encounter. According to two Republicans who heard the word used, "macaca" was a mash-up of "Mohawk," referring to Sidarth's distinctive hair, and "caca," Spanish slang for excrement, or "shit." Said one Republican close to the campaign: "In other words, he was a shit-head, an annoyance." Allen, according to Republicans, heard members of his traveling entourage and Virginia Republicans use the phrase and picked it up. It was the first word that came to his mind when he spied Sidarth at the weekend's event, according to Republicans who have been briefed on Allen's version of the event. [emphasis added So Allen would have us believe that "macaca" is a wacky nickname combining "mohawk" (even though the Webb staffer in question really doesn't have one in the typical sense) and a word (caca) which English-speakers rarely use--and which just happens to be a racial slur in a language Allen speaks? That's some coincidence. Even if you accept that Allen was "only" calling the guy a shithead instead of a monkey, a friend asks: "Is that a defense--or an allegation"? " also: " "Macaca" isn't just some obscure term for "monkey," it's a French slur for dark-skinned people. And, as Ryan explained yesterday, Allen's mother is French-Tunisian, and Allen speaks French. This may not be the sort of proof that would hold up in court, but it's pretty clear that even if Allen was trying to make up a silly name for the foreign-looking cameraman, the association he came up with was a racial slur he knew."
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
As an Indian myself, I don't see what the big deal is. So he made fun of the guy he was pissed at. And it so happened that this guy was an Indian. Big deal. What if Siddhartha was a white guy, and all the others black? If Allen said something that took advantage of the fact that he had a white skin to ridicule him, would it still be racist? And what if Allen wasn't even thinking "colored" or "Indian" when he made all those remarks? If I break up the word "Macaca" this way or that, and misspel whatever part I want to, I may be able to come up with several variations, each of which may be derogatory in one language or the other. I may even come up with a few that are complimentary. So? (In fact, "Caca" or "Kaka" in Hindi would mean "Uncle." Not too derogatory, eh? Except maybe that Siddhartha may object to being called an older man's uncle. After all, seeing that Siddhartha is an Indian, Allen could use a Hindi word or two from his memory to address him and win him over, right? In fact, the way some people are trying so hard to prove there was some meaning and intent behind using the word (after slicing and dicing it, translations from various languages that his mother or friends spoke, etc), I feel they deliberately want to produce smoke where there is no fire. And I'm sure Siddhartha got a big pat on his back from his masters for having the presence of mind to play the racist card at the right time. And why is everyone trying so hard not to hurt anyone's sissy feelings? It only encourages two kinds of people: 1. Whiners like Siddhartha 2. Bullies and manipulators. And makes life hell for the rest of us. I want the good old days back, when it was OK to laugh, even in public. And when it was OK to let everyone know you're pissed at someone.
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As an Indian myself, I don't see what the big deal is. So he made fun of the guy he was pissed at. And it so happened that this guy was an Indian. Big deal. What if Siddhartha was a white guy, and all the others black? If Allen said something that took advantage of the fact that he had a white skin to ridicule him, would it still be racist? And what if Allen wasn't even thinking "colored" or "Indian" when he made all those remarks? If I break up the word "Macaca" this way or that, and misspel whatever part I want to, I may be able to come up with several variations, each of which may be derogatory in one language or the other. I may even come up with a few that are complimentary. So? (In fact, "Caca" or "Kaka" in Hindi would mean "Uncle." Not too derogatory, eh? Except maybe that Siddhartha may object to being called an older man's uncle. After all, seeing that Siddhartha is an Indian, Allen could use a Hindi word or two from his memory to address him and win him over, right? In fact, the way some people are trying so hard to prove there was some meaning and intent behind using the word (after slicing and dicing it, translations from various languages that his mother or friends spoke, etc), I feel they deliberately want to produce smoke where there is no fire. And I'm sure Siddhartha got a big pat on his back from his masters for having the presence of mind to play the racist card at the right time. And why is everyone trying so hard not to hurt anyone's sissy feelings? It only encourages two kinds of people: 1. Whiners like Siddhartha 2. Bullies and manipulators. And makes life hell for the rest of us. I want the good old days back, when it was OK to laugh, even in public. And when it was OK to let everyone know you're pissed at someone.
well said! 5!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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As an Indian myself, I don't see what the big deal is. So he made fun of the guy he was pissed at. And it so happened that this guy was an Indian. Big deal. What if Siddhartha was a white guy, and all the others black? If Allen said something that took advantage of the fact that he had a white skin to ridicule him, would it still be racist? And what if Allen wasn't even thinking "colored" or "Indian" when he made all those remarks? If I break up the word "Macaca" this way or that, and misspel whatever part I want to, I may be able to come up with several variations, each of which may be derogatory in one language or the other. I may even come up with a few that are complimentary. So? (In fact, "Caca" or "Kaka" in Hindi would mean "Uncle." Not too derogatory, eh? Except maybe that Siddhartha may object to being called an older man's uncle. After all, seeing that Siddhartha is an Indian, Allen could use a Hindi word or two from his memory to address him and win him over, right? In fact, the way some people are trying so hard to prove there was some meaning and intent behind using the word (after slicing and dicing it, translations from various languages that his mother or friends spoke, etc), I feel they deliberately want to produce smoke where there is no fire. And I'm sure Siddhartha got a big pat on his back from his masters for having the presence of mind to play the racist card at the right time. And why is everyone trying so hard not to hurt anyone's sissy feelings? It only encourages two kinds of people: 1. Whiners like Siddhartha 2. Bullies and manipulators. And makes life hell for the rest of us. I want the good old days back, when it was OK to laugh, even in public. And when it was OK to let everyone know you're pissed at someone.
smaaaart wrote:
What if Siddhartha was a white guy, and all the others black? If Allen said something that took advantage of the fact that he had a white skin to ridicule him, would it still be racist?
If it was a term that was derogatory to whites, yes it would be racist. The middle part of your post, is like the posts from the other day, trying to excuse him(only slightly better than if you were actually defending racism). By his own admission, he was calling the man a sh*thead.
smaaaart wrote:
And why is everyone trying so hard not to hurt anyone's sissy feelings? It only encourages two kinds of people: 1. Whiners like Siddhartha 2. Bullies and manipulators.
This kind of thinking encourages one kind of person: haters. -- modified at 14:49 Thursday 17th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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smaaaart wrote:
What if Siddhartha was a white guy, and all the others black? If Allen said something that took advantage of the fact that he had a white skin to ridicule him, would it still be racist?
If it was a term that was derogatory to whites, yes it would be racist. The middle part of your post, is like the posts from the other day, trying to excuse him(only slightly better than if you were actually defending racism). By his own admission, he was calling the man a sh*thead.
smaaaart wrote:
And why is everyone trying so hard not to hurt anyone's sissy feelings? It only encourages two kinds of people: 1. Whiners like Siddhartha 2. Bullies and manipulators.
This kind of thinking encourages one kind of person: haters. -- modified at 14:49 Thursday 17th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison