Limit of Programming
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
"The limit for the number of fields in a class on the CLR is 65536." I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
Aamir Butt wrote:
But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
I have never, ever, encountered that problem, except I think once. In a DOS application. 15 years ago. On an 8086 processor. When segments were limited to 64K.
Aamir Butt wrote:
Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it.
That's too bad. To be blunt about it, part of what I consider as qualifications for a commercial application is how it's engineered on the inside. You do not make huge modules. That's a fundamental lesson, I thought, of good programming practices. :~ Marc
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"The limit for the number of fields in a class on the CLR is 65536." I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
If someone had asked me if anyone would ever hit that limit 10 minutes ago, I would have answered "don't be silly!". :~
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"The limit for the number of fields in a class on the CLR is 65536." I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
How the hell do you hit that limit ... :wtf:
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
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How the hell do you hit that limit ... :wtf:
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
i wonder if there's a Daily WTF article in it...
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i wonder if there's a Daily WTF article in it...
definitely .. its kinda reading the software of someone that is afraid of functions, I remember once reading DBaseII code that was one function with 6000 lines in it ...
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
Aamir Butt wrote:
ut I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
65K. What the hell are you writing! I hesitate to say bad design without knowing what problem your application was built to solve, but it sounds very badly designed to me.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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definitely .. its kinda reading the software of someone that is afraid of functions, I remember once reading DBaseII code that was one function with 6000 lines in it ...
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
i've seen SQL stored-procs with 6000 lines. i completely refused to work on that part of the application.
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i've seen SQL stored-procs with 6000 lines. i completely refused to work on that part of the application.
must have made you popular at work ...
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
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"The limit for the number of fields in a class on the CLR is 65536." I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
65 thousand some globals? Dear Lord.
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
Aamir Butt wrote:
But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
What does your application do? I have never run into this issue, and I push the memory limit to 1.8+gb, I push every limit I possibly can, but I guess I never pushed that one. Yes you should break your module into further smaller modules, not just because of some microsoft limit. 1) Efficiency. Chances are if you have modules that large, you are brute-forcing the machine. I have been accused of the same, and sometimes it is true. I did brute-force one map, I am currently rewriting it to be about 50 times more efficient. 2) Cache use. I guess this goes into efficiency, but you are talking about efficiency related to specific application of hardware. Instruction and memory cache operations will increase your speed two-fold, if you aren't breaking your functions at least to fit into the caches then you are your applications' own worst enemies. 3) maintenance. Other people would put this first, and there is a good reason to do so. If you want your application to last, you want to write it to last multiple releases. You will do rewrites, or at least you better if you want it to last multiple major releases, but you want to at least write something solid enough that you can make modifications: bug fixes and improvements. If your goal is to write code that will never be changed, ever, you're in the wrong business.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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must have made you popular at work ...
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
i'm pretty sure it had no effect
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
Aamir Butt wrote:
But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
Dude. Yes. Oh god yes. In fact, the limit should be a lot less than that to stop people getting anywhere near that level of insanity. There is *no* way you can mantain it with 65536 members. p.s. I don't envy your job :)
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eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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i've seen SQL stored-procs with 6000 lines. i completely refused to work on that part of the application.
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"The limit for the number of fields in a class on the CLR is 65536." I'm sorry, I don't think I'll ever hit that limit.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
It is possible to reach the limit of you are using C++\CLI and don't partition your projects correctly or use header's incorrectly. That's one of the main reasons I don't like C++\CLI: adds too much junk to the metadata.
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
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So, today I managed to reach there ;P This[^] is what I am talking about. I reached this milestone today and am advised by the Microsoft guy to break my module into further smaller modules to avoid getting this problem again. Being at a late stage of a release, I simply can't do it. Thanks to another guy who advised another workaround related to 'String Pooling' due to which I am back on track. But I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that. -- Bill Shankly"
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Aamir Butt wrote:
ut I was just wondering if 65K limit is enough for big commercial apps.
65K. What the hell are you writing! I hesitate to say bad design without knowing what problem your application was built to solve, but it sounds very badly designed to me.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
without knowing what problem your application was built to solve
I am curious too. I have some huge classes and large number of globals as I try to fix some design issues of the past. But my software does so many things it sometimes surprises me how bloated it is. But the core is solid which was how I survived even with some bad designs on some of the objects. That large of number of members and the application had better bring world peace!
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)