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You what Christian, personally I think it’s the work culture here in India that's the real bug. One thing I have noticed about people here is that if they have a choice between doing good work and doing bad work and no one will ever find out, people here revert to bad work. I haven’t traveled out of India ever, but I just passed out of college and am working for only 6 months. And there are some things that I saw I did not expect to. One of the most common one is for example is the kind of work you do. There is this Idiom about the outsourcing Jobs people in India do. Job No 1 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 2 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 3 Job Profile: …………. ……… That’s what most of my friends complaining about, “it’s the same shit always!” Lucky I got a job here where I work on Product development. And I am super exited about it. But, most of my friends end up blaming their Jobs for the boredom. And I do think now that The kind of work you do is really important. Plus you should also have a personal inclination towards your work.
Abhishek The worst loneliness is not to be comfortable with yourself. --Mark Twain
AbhishekBK wrote:
One of the most common one is for example is the kind of work you do. There is this Idiom about the outsourcing Jobs people in India do. Job No 1 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 2 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 3 Job Profile: …………. ……… That’s what most of my friends complaining about, “it’s the same sh*t always!”
Most coding is boring. It is just glorified typing. Analysis and Design is where the interesting tasks are. I hate the coding part of my job. That's why I've spent so much time on building code generators and using meta-data driven development such as MyXaml. The more I can get the computer to do for me, the better.
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AbhishekBK wrote:
One of the most common one is for example is the kind of work you do. There is this Idiom about the outsourcing Jobs people in India do. Job No 1 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 2 Job Profile: Take data from Form1 -> Put it into table one Then take it from table 1 and put it in table 2 Job No 3 Job Profile: …………. ……… That’s what most of my friends complaining about, “it’s the same sh*t always!”
Most coding is boring. It is just glorified typing. Analysis and Design is where the interesting tasks are. I hate the coding part of my job. That's why I've spent so much time on building code generators and using meta-data driven development such as MyXaml. The more I can get the computer to do for me, the better.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
Most coding is boring. It is just glorified typing. Analysis and Design is where the interesting tasks are.
Maybe. But, we can probably say the same about the Garage mechanic. Every Bike is different.... but the difference lies only in figuring out what the problem is. After that its only tightening screws. In fact the same goes for any Job out there. But I believe, the trick lies to work somewhere you get to do a little bit both. Doing only analysis, may become like an MBA trying to tell you how write the program. But, there is no escape from better and faster tools.
Abhishek The worst loneliness is not to be comfortable with yourself. --Mark Twain
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I really dont like my superior asking me status of the work done, or asking when can the job be done.. or work overtime or come on saturdays to work. I dont like to take orders. It seems I can not work as a team. feal lonely out there. have become less communicative.. I just hate to work so much for such a small amount in India. I need more money. more freedom. flexible working hours. Want to spend time with my family. may be fixed to 8 a day. I hate to travel in public buses daily and looking at tense faces everyday (that includes mine too) from the same IT field. All are so robotic in office. fake smiles. too much formalities. even members from opposit sex are so boring. seems like everybody has lost their libidos. looks like after 10 years , their would be so much diebetic, blood pressure and heart and hyper tension . patients . joke apart but i dont like the environment but I like programming. do anyone has same sentiments.. how can I improve my approach. any opinions... -- modified at 4:04 Thursday 24th August, 2006
pathak
Be happy you're not a Japanese employee! Anyways, I think you bring up some good points. Work environments can be very dehumanizing. I think most of what you are observing about your own feelings are a result of a loss of spirituality and a sense of belonging to something bigger. You may scoff at such remarks, but a human being needs to feel valued and needs to feel that he/she has a meaningful relationship with other people. Spirituality is a part of that relationship, if you want to really feel meaning in that relationship. IMO. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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pathakr wrote:
But in India, sometime office politics comes into play.
You think that's unique to India ?
pathakr wrote:
I understand I have a problem.. working on it buddy.
In my experience, hard work always pays off, even if it doesn't always look like it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
In my experience, hard work always pays off, even if it doesn't always look like it.
I can definitely relate to the "doesn't always look like it". After 15 months of 50-60 hour weeks, and every single line of code was dumped and the client side stuff moved to Delphi. :sigh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Christian Graus wrote:
In my experience, hard work always pays off, even if it doesn't always look like it.
I can definitely relate to the "doesn't always look like it". After 15 months of 50-60 hour weeks, and every single line of code was dumped and the client side stuff moved to Delphi. :sigh: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
15 months of 50-60 hour weeks, and every single line of code was dumped
Which explains why I'll take a job in the fast food industry before I do defense contracting again. I worked at a contractor writing simulations/emulations for three years at one point. Out of all the software I wrote in that period, one sim application was used for a two week period. The rest of it went on a shelf and disappeared down a black hole :(.
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I have to admit, there are days where I pine for the social aspect of working in an office, but that's what the lounge is for.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
that's what the lounge is for.
If only there was a way we could all meet up for a beer on Friday's :doh:
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
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I really dont like my superior asking me status of the work done, or asking when can the job be done.. or work overtime or come on saturdays to work. I dont like to take orders. It seems I can not work as a team. feal lonely out there. have become less communicative.. I just hate to work so much for such a small amount in India. I need more money. more freedom. flexible working hours. Want to spend time with my family. may be fixed to 8 a day. I hate to travel in public buses daily and looking at tense faces everyday (that includes mine too) from the same IT field. All are so robotic in office. fake smiles. too much formalities. even members from opposit sex are so boring. seems like everybody has lost their libidos. looks like after 10 years , their would be so much diebetic, blood pressure and heart and hyper tension . patients . joke apart but i dont like the environment but I like programming. do anyone has same sentiments.. how can I improve my approach. any opinions... -- modified at 4:04 Thursday 24th August, 2006
pathak
If you don't like your job you could leave. If you can't leave (for now), then try to change your own viewpoint (cos you're not going to be able to change everyone else), and just keep working hard with the goal of leaving as soon as you can.
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
15 months of 50-60 hour weeks, and every single line of code was dumped
Which explains why I'll take a job in the fast food industry before I do defense contracting again. I worked at a contractor writing simulations/emulations for three years at one point. Out of all the software I wrote in that period, one sim application was used for a two week period. The rest of it went on a shelf and disappeared down a black hole :(.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
Which explains why I'll take a job in the fast food industry before I do defense contracting again.
I worked on the security system for the MX Missile Train at one point. I was actually relieved when the project got cancelled. It was such a fiasco of requirements vs. reality of the hardware at that time. My favorite thing was when the engineers discovered that the 60 pound pan-tilt platform would become ballistic as it sheared off its bolts to meet the requirement that it has to "pop out" of the enclosure in something like a 1/4 second. Well, that's one way to try and kill the terrorists. My other favorite was the little side mounted cameras which were actually nightvision cameras. Then someone said, "you know, most of the railroad tracks in the US run east-west". The point being, that these cameras with their sensitive photomultipliers would be burnt out every sunrise and sunset. It was sad though, these people who had worked for years on the MT, were VERY upset that all that effort was wasted when Congress killed it. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
I really dont like my superior asking me status of the work done, or asking when can the job be done.. or work overtime or come on saturdays to work. I dont like to take orders. It seems I can not work as a team. feal lonely out there. have become less communicative.. I just hate to work so much for such a small amount in India. I need more money. more freedom. flexible working hours. Want to spend time with my family. may be fixed to 8 a day. I hate to travel in public buses daily and looking at tense faces everyday (that includes mine too) from the same IT field. All are so robotic in office. fake smiles. too much formalities. even members from opposit sex are so boring. seems like everybody has lost their libidos. looks like after 10 years , their would be so much diebetic, blood pressure and heart and hyper tension . patients . joke apart but i dont like the environment but I like programming. do anyone has same sentiments.. how can I improve my approach. any opinions... -- modified at 4:04 Thursday 24th August, 2006
pathak
pathakr wrote:
I really dont like my superior asking me status of the work done, or asking when can the job be done...
Just what is it that you think a subordinate does?
"Money talks. When my money starts to talk, I get a bill to shut it up." - Frank
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Which explains why I'll take a job in the fast food industry before I do defense contracting again.
I worked on the security system for the MX Missile Train at one point. I was actually relieved when the project got cancelled. It was such a fiasco of requirements vs. reality of the hardware at that time. My favorite thing was when the engineers discovered that the 60 pound pan-tilt platform would become ballistic as it sheared off its bolts to meet the requirement that it has to "pop out" of the enclosure in something like a 1/4 second. Well, that's one way to try and kill the terrorists. My other favorite was the little side mounted cameras which were actually nightvision cameras. Then someone said, "you know, most of the railroad tracks in the US run east-west". The point being, that these cameras with their sensitive photomultipliers would be burnt out every sunrise and sunset. It was sad though, these people who had worked for years on the MT, were VERY upset that all that effort was wasted when Congress killed it. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithThe final straw for me (other than being laid off by the last defense contractor I worked for) was when I read an Air Force study that showed that, out of all the software written under contract for the DoD, less than 2% of it was in use a year later. Software development for the DoD is an incredible boondoggle. There are MIS application projects that were begun in the 1960's that are still not complete to this day. Requirements mutate continually, administrations and priorities change without any rationale, military and civil service empire-builders play God, and contractors line up to the biggest public teat they can find. The end result is an enormous amount of taxpayer money pissed away.
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pathakr wrote:
But in India, sometime office politics comes into play.
You think that's unique to India ?
pathakr wrote:
I understand I have a problem.. working on it buddy.
In my experience, hard work always pays off, even if it doesn't always look like it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
You think that's unique to India ?
Don't try and tell us those three other blokes in Tassie care for politics.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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pathakr wrote:
I really dont like my superior asking me status of the work done, or asking when can the job be done.. or work overtime or come on saturdays to work. I dont like to take orders. It seems I can not work as a team. feal lonely out there. have become less communicative.. I just hate to work so much for such a small amount in India. I need more money. more freedom. flexible working hours. Want to spend time with my family. may be fixed to 8 a day. I hate to travel in public buses daily and looking at tense faces everyday (that includes mine too) from the same IT field. All are so robotic in office. fake smiles. too much formalities. even members from opposit sex are so boring. seems like everybody has lost their libidos. looks like after 10 years , their would be so much diebetic, blood pressure and heart and hyper tension . patients . joke apart but i dont like the environment but I like programming. do anyone has same sentiments.. how can I improve my approach. any opinions...
It's all about attitude. We spend most of our lives working, so the first thing we need to do is make sure we have a job we enjoy. Perhaps you aren't cut out for the IT life. The overtime and Saturday thing - well that sounds like your company has poor project planning. Nobody needs to work more than 8 hrs a day, if they are then something is wrong. Look for another job with a more enlightened company. The self-help books would tell you that first you have to learn to love what you have. More money, more freedom won't help to make you feel happier - they just distract from the misery. You need to learn to love yourself and then the world doesn't seem such as fake/dull/boring place. Once you do that, then you'll find more doors and opportunities are open to you.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
It's all about attitude.
You wouldn't say that if you had to face racism and ball tampering accusations on a daily basis.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004