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  • L Lost User

    I came here because I had litterally only just begun to use VB.NET and I really wanted to learn how to use it properly. I had searched through a lot of other sites for information on delegates but couldn't find anything that explained what I wanted to know. I finally peiced together what I thought was enough information (because it actually worked in code) and wrote an article to help other new people who were having problems with the same subject. What did I recieve? I wrote a VB.NET article and the only comments I recieved were idiots telling me VB.NET = C#.. why? I hadn't asked that question.. I made no alusion that it might be the same I hadn't even mentioned C# originally. So why bombard me with C# code that is obviously more advanced than the article? It's not helpful to spam a newbie with code that is not even in the language they wanted to learn. This is why I think the majority of the community is arrogant, disrespectful and stupid. Had the people who replied to my article done so with VB code I would have taken on what they said and updated my article accordingly. But they couldn't even do that, instead they just SPAM SPAM SPAM.

    www.thecodeproject.com - Destroying any hope of learning how to program.

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    BorgPidgeon wrote:

    I wrote a VB.NET article and the only comments I recieved were idiots

    BorgPidgeon wrote:

    This is why I think the majority of the community is arrogant, disrespectful and stupid.

    Wow. You had more than 1.5 million comments?

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    • A Andy Davies

      i would quite like to know what is wrong with this community? i dont post often, only when i feel it nessaccary, and i have always been received well/treated well.

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      That's a nice Firefox-eats-IE(?) logo, btw. :-D

      "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia

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      • L Lost User

        Well you're just stupid aren't you :) I am leaving... but I wanted to delete my account. Judging by the amount of idiocy here it looks like that's not even possible. How long before the account times out?

        www.thecodeproject.com - Destroying any hope of learning how to program.

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        code frog 0
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        In a lot of ways I can sympathize with how you feel. In another way I want to say you had better get used to this. Software engineers tend to be cocky and arrogant. Just the way it is. I don't advocate that nor do I personally except. I have 10 articles right now and 2 of them were *really* well received the votes I've gotten on the other 8 (3's) tell me they are not bad and could be well received but I need to beef them up a bit more. I'd advise you to not focus on what others think so much. Nobody here is friends or family and they will likely not ever share your bed or your home. They don't matter. Taking pride in your work *should* matter though, right? So if they answered you in C# and gave you flippant responses stand your ground. Not rudely but politely ask them to provide code in VB if they wouldn't mind. Explain that you are new and would benefit. Now having said that... *MANY* people here are C fundamentalist, C Radical Fundamentalists. I'd almost equate them with terrorists as fanatical as they can be but thankfully none of them is guilty of any form of terrorism other than sharp whit and tongue. If you are in the VB crowd just keep on rolling and ignore them. You'll win their respect if you don't react to them at all. Just keep doing your thing but make sure it's quality stuff. Wanting to delete your account is one thing. Just email the webmaster. Links are on every page and ask them to remove your account. You'll be doing the webmaster and yourself a favor. Don't post here it makes you look like a whiner wanting to score sympathy points. Just stand your ground in silence. Humility has never hurt anyone that I'm aware of but unearned praise has caused a lot of problems.


        I only read cp for the articles.

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        • B baloneyman

          Welcome to the Hotel California?

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          :laugh:


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          • L leckey 0

            Michael Martin wrote:

            Jewish complex

            What is that supposed to mean?

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            leckey wrote:

            What is that supposed to mean?

            That if your not with us your against us. If you don't agree with me 100% your anti-semetic or zionist or whatever the term is. People should be able to disagree without being branded a racist, from a lot of articles in the press over here and arguements on CP Jews seem to brand people racist if they aren't agreeing with them.

            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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            • S S Douglas

              Michael Martin wrote:

              You don't need to understand why he would want too.

              Why not? He posed a question in a public forum, I responded. How did your post help his cause? :)

              Michael Martin wrote:

              That doesn't answer his question. He wants to delete his account.

              My second comment was about his participation in CP, had nothing to do with deleting his account.

              BorgPidgeon wrote:

              I do not want to be a part of this ungrateful community any longer.

              S Douglas wrote:

              Umm, then don't participate in any of the discussions here. I don't think Chris & company forces anyone to post here.

              Michael Martin wrote:

              He wants to delete his account. Code Project should give him the chance.

              Really? Why not just change the email address assigned to the CP account here and be done with it? Why make some public announcement? Sheesh, make a smart aleck reply on a board full of smart alecks, and what do yea get a smart aleck reply. :)


              I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

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              S Douglas wrote:

              Really? Why not just change the email address assigned to the CP account here and be done with it? Why make some public announcement?

              Like I said in replies to others in this thread, the member count is prominent on the front page, it is used as a metric to sell it's marketability to advertisers. It is not a true reflection of active users and if someone wants out they should have the ability to do so.

              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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              • L Lost User

                S Douglas wrote:

                Really? Why not just change the email address assigned to the CP account here and be done with it? Why make some public announcement?

                Like I said in replies to others in this thread, the member count is prominent on the front page, it is used as a metric to sell it's marketability to advertisers. It is not a true reflection of active users and if someone wants out they should have the ability to do so.

                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                Michael Martin wrote:

                Like I said in replies to others in this thread,

                Sorry didn’t read all of the thread, well initially I did and its grown a little since then.

                Michael Martin wrote:

                the member count is prominent on the front page, it is used as a metric to sell it's marketability to advertisers. It is not a true reflection of active users and if someone wants out they should have the ability to do so.

                Maybe it’s just me, but I leave worrying about stuff like that up to Chris. It’s his site and he is the one ultimately responsible to his advertisers & bill collectors. I'm just a guest here. Are there things that I don’t like, yup, do I whine about them, nope. When I find something particularly annoying do I post it in the correct forum (well mostly) or send it to him directly.


                I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

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                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                  Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                  you would have found that C# and VB.NET are nearly interchangable

                  in concept, but not in syntax.

                  Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                  We're not the arrogant ones here

                  actually you are. he's new to programming and asked for help in learning what he wanted to learn. your attitude is like giving advice in how to build a castle when someone asks how to build a two-room cottage and then complaining when they point out you're not answering their question or providing help in they way they need it. you need to grow up.

                  Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay

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                  ahz wrote:

                  in concept, but not in syntax.

                  There's a thin line there. I'll just leave it at this point: C# adn VB.NET can be converted back and forth on a near line-by-line basis. One line in C# can be translated into one line in VB.NET, with the reverse being true too...

                  Object myObj = new Object;
                  

                  is exactly the same as

                  Dim myObj As New Object
                  

                  If you understand just this much, you can convert ALOT of the C# code you see. Calling methods and setting properties on those objects is no different in C# than it is in VB.NET.

                  ahz wrote:

                  in how to build a castle when someone asks how to build a two-room cottage

                  That's not his point. His point was that the responses he got were in a different language. He can still build the castle, it's just a matter of the building materials, not the size of the building. He even said it himself. If the code snippets were in VB.NET, he would not have called the responses SPAM.

                  ahz wrote:

                  you need to grow up.

                  And you need to read his posts closer...

                  Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                    C# and VB.NET and almost entirely interchangable

                    in concept yes, but not in syntax. to him it was like reading spanish when he knows french. similar languages, yes, but not nearly the same enough. After all, he's a newbie to programming and VB.NET in particular. Do you really expect that he would be able to translate the C# examples into VB.NET? Your post proves his point about the arrogance of (some) CP members.

                    Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay

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                    ahz wrote:

                    Do you really expect that he would be able to translate the C# examples into VB.NET

                    No, I don't. I would expect him to ask for a VB.NET translation. At least then he could have learned something about C# and gotten his hands on a small Rosetta stone to help him translate other C# examples he finds floating around on the 'Net.

                    ahz wrote:

                    Your post proves his point about the arrogance of (some) CP members.

                    That's your opinion. The only thing I'm "arrogant" of is expecting someone to actually try and learn something before bitching about it. -- modified at 15:52 Friday 25th August, 2006 -- modified at 15:52 Friday 25th August, 2006

                    Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                    • D Dave Kreskowiak

                      ahz wrote:

                      in concept, but not in syntax.

                      There's a thin line there. I'll just leave it at this point: C# adn VB.NET can be converted back and forth on a near line-by-line basis. One line in C# can be translated into one line in VB.NET, with the reverse being true too...

                      Object myObj = new Object;
                      

                      is exactly the same as

                      Dim myObj As New Object
                      

                      If you understand just this much, you can convert ALOT of the C# code you see. Calling methods and setting properties on those objects is no different in C# than it is in VB.NET.

                      ahz wrote:

                      in how to build a castle when someone asks how to build a two-room cottage

                      That's not his point. His point was that the responses he got were in a different language. He can still build the castle, it's just a matter of the building materials, not the size of the building. He even said it himself. If the code snippets were in VB.NET, he would not have called the responses SPAM.

                      ahz wrote:

                      you need to grow up.

                      And you need to read his posts closer...

                      Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                      Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                      If you understand just this much, you can convert ALOT of the C# code you see.

                      But what happens when you don't understand that? When you don't know C# *at all*??? Then you can't do the translation can you? See where *HE's* coming from?

                      Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        Dave Kreskowiak wrote:

                        If you understand just this much, you can convert ALOT of the C# code you see.

                        But what happens when you don't understand that? When you don't know C# *at all*??? Then you can't do the translation can you? See where *HE's* coming from?

                        Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay

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                        Dave Kreskowiak
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                        I didn't know C# either. But I knew VB.NET OK at the time (almost 6 years ago), so guess what I did! I see where's he coming from. I wish you would just quit trying to defend the position that it's NOT a good thing to try and learn something new.

                        Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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