You Americans are obsessed with guns. What is it, Penis envy?
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ihoecken wrote:
Most women who have a weapon aren't able to use it when they are raped. A far more better protection is art of self-defence.
Indeed. A gun is only good if you have enough time to spot the danger, get the gun out and conjure up enough courage to use it. If you don't, the risk of being overpowered and killed is very high. There are many simple and effective techniques for disabling (at least temporarily) an attacker. It just requires some practice. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
conjure up enough courage to use it
Which is why most training courses hammer into people that once they draw the gun, they fire it. And when they start firing, they don't stop until it is empty.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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First, I do not own any guns. Just never found hunting fun. Where I live, we need people to hunt the land. Otherwise there would be too many deer, cougars, turkeys, geese...you name it. However, I don't think you need a 9mm to shoot a duck. I think that yes, we have the right to bear arms, but here is what I think the restrictions should be: 1. You can own a shotgun or rifle if you prove you have had a hunting license in the last five years. 2. No one should be allowed to own more than 2 handguns. Why? Because if there was a revolution you only have 2 hands. More than that is overkill. (Pun intended.) I don't understand why people horde guns and have their own arsenal. I don't understand the joy of shooting targets, animals or anything else. So while I agree with you to a certain extent, stop putting us all in one category! :-D
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leckey wrote:
I think that yes, we have the right to bear arms...
Did you write that Simpsons episode or did you mean bare?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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I assume you mean put another prawn on the barbie ? We don't eat shrimp, nor do we have a grill, except on the front of our car.
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Christian Graus wrote:
nor do we have a grill, except on the front of our car.
And find the boot behind the bonnet? ;P When I was growing up cars had boots but the engine lived under the hood.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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We have moved on from the 18th century. You have an army to defend the place, you dont need guns. And if you think owning a gun is defence against a tyranical run army well, unless you have tanks and helicopters too you arte totally out matched. There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon. The wild west has finished guys. Didnt anyone tell you?
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
I couldn't agree more. Next they'll want the right to carry around mini nukes; nukes don't level cities, people do.
Steve
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fat_boy wrote:
There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon.
well if it isn't the Oracle of all that is civilized. I have mine as a last bastion of protection against bomb vest wearing religous fanatics and the Clintonites.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I have mine as a last bastion of protection against bomb vest wearing religous fanatics and the Clintonites.
And my weapons are a last bastion of defense against fanatic Bushies.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
Sometimes i think you europeans are jealous of our right to bear arms.
While us Aussies are jealous of the spelling abilities of 16 year old 'Mercans who seem to believe that owning guns will solve all problems.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
Yes. What is wrong with that?
The fact that your parents allow it lowers the odds that you are made from genetic material that would predispose you to common sense. I was more worried about what you could do to others, not you specifically as much as wondering how many school shootings start this way.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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fat_boy wrote:
There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon.
That's not true. The argument that we are entitled to self-defense from crime is perfectly sensible. If your wife were raped, I'm sure you would wish that she had a gun on her at the time.
fat_boy is right. The self defense argument sounds good on paper but fails in the real world (you should visit it sometime). Firstly a criminal will claim that his gun is for self defense or hunting or some other reasonable use: not many will say I need a gun to rob the 7-11. If both the attacker and the victim have guns the victim is many times more likely to be killed or seriously injured then if none of them have one. Guns also mean that if you get a "rush of blood" and fly into a rage you could shoot and kill someone before you come to your senses: it only takes a split second to pull a trigger. Then there is the fact that guns embolden criminals and actually encourage them to commit crimes: someone may think twice about robbing someone if they have to get into a fist fight first. Let's not forget how many children find guns and end up dead or worse go on a rampage and kill many innocent people first: you don't hear of many knife rampages. I simply cannot understand why so many people in the U.S. are unwilling to see the truth when it comes to guns. The normal reply is "it's my right": well you shouldn't have nor want a right that causes so much social damage. Check out the CDC website here[^] and see for yourself what damage guns cause and compare this to some of the others.
Steve
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Shog9 wrote:
edited them out of my post, just to make your reply look stupid.
He doesnt need much help making himself look stupid.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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You have to remember that the 2nd amendment was only a prohibition upon the federal government. Under Jeffersonian principles, state and local governments could exercise gun control all they liked and have frequently done so. But as I said below, guns, like cars, are such an instrinsic part of our culture, it is going to be virtually impossible to get rid of them to any meaningful extent.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
You have to remember that the 2nd amendment was only a prohibition upon the federal government. Under Jeffersonian principles, state and local governments could exercise gun control all they liked and have frequently done so.
So technically, States could have laws contradicting federal ones?
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
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fat_boy wrote:
There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon.
That's not true. The argument that we are entitled to self-defense from crime is perfectly sensible. If your wife were raped, I'm sure you would wish that she had a gun on her at the time.
No, because it would be taken off her and used against her. Actually, my wife was in the filth, and is quite capable of wrestling 6' guys to the ground. Self defence lessons are far more effective.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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fat_boy wrote:
The wild west has finished guys. Didnt anyone tell you?
Look, buddy. You don't live here. You aren't the one who has to be worried about getting car-jacked by a shotgun-wielding meth addict. Why not leave the self-satisfied ranting to those of us who do?
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I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
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Your friends are yuppies. A Weber is totally different to a BBQ. All you need is a sheet of rusty metal, some old bricks and a fire.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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fat_boy wrote:
There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon.
well if it isn't the Oracle of all that is civilized. I have mine as a last bastion of protection against bomb vest wearing religous fanatics and the Clintonites.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I have mine as a last bastion of protection against bomb vest wearing religous fanatics
OK, I'll bet that neither you, or your friends ever get to use a gun against an Islamic suicide bomber. Thus making your statement, and sentiment, a utter load of crap.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Sometimes i think you europeans are jealous of our right to bear arms. I am 16 and have 2 rifles and about 500 rounds of 7.62x39. i doubt that would be legal in your country, but it is here. :)
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
I am 16 and have 2 rifles and about 500 rounds of 7.62x39
I hope you have plenty of valid targets on which to use such powerfull ammunition. I relly hope you do.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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You have to remember that the 2nd amendment was only a prohibition upon the federal government. Under Jeffersonian principles, state and local governments could exercise gun control all they liked and have frequently done so. But as I said below, guns, like cars, are such an instrinsic part of our culture, it is going to be virtually impossible to get rid of them to any meaningful extent.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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fat_boy wrote:
And if you think owning a gun is defence against a tyranical run army well, unless you have tanks and helicopters too you arte totally out matched.
Tell that to the insurgents in Iraq...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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My 5. No enemy is as difficult for a traditional Army to combat as is an armed indigenous insurgency. Nukes, ballistic missiles, tanks,helicopters, and heavy artillery are little help.
Rob Graham wrote:
are little help
What crap. OK, I'll give you an assult rifle, put you in an urban environment, and then blow it to shit with hellfires and artillery. Then I'll send in the tanks. Follwed by troops. Think you're going to survive? Fight back? Win? Bollocks are you.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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The soviets lost to the guerilla force in Afganistan.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
