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  • R Raj Lal

    Its something we come across every day We judge a statement more by WHO is saying than WHAT is he saying, i like to define this as person (not personal) biasness if there is no other term already coined for it. Well normally a "person biasness" gives a 70% weight to WHO and 30% to WHAT I think it should be 50/50 percent or may be WHAT should be given more importance then WHO What you guys think ? * if the post would have been by chris, you would have started pondering on it already, thats how i define person biasness , if this doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will

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    IMHO the WHO is very, VERY important. In today's world we get flooded with information and advertising. Learning who you can trust and/or believe is vital.

    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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      There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do :-) And recently someone posted a link where a bunch of 6 month old babies were more attracted by a good looking model than by a normal woman. So even at 6 months, humans tend to appreciate good looks. Interesting, eh?

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      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do

      So that's why life has been so easy for me. :cool:

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        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do

        So that's why life has been so easy for me. :cool:

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        your comment made me see your profile but no image available i must say there is "NO PROOF" :laugh:

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        • R Raj Lal

          Its something we come across every day We judge a statement more by WHO is saying than WHAT is he saying, i like to define this as person (not personal) biasness if there is no other term already coined for it. Well normally a "person biasness" gives a 70% weight to WHO and 30% to WHAT I think it should be 50/50 percent or may be WHAT should be given more importance then WHO What you guys think ? * if the post would have been by chris, you would have started pondering on it already, thats how i define person biasness , if this doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will

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          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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          For people to either realy like me or really hate me so I just let my work speak for itself. You are completely correct though, most people are concerned with appearance over function. Why do you think the ipod sales so well.

          On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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            There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do :-) And recently someone posted a link where a bunch of 6 month old babies were more attracted by a good looking model than by a normal woman. So even at 6 months, humans tend to appreciate good looks. Interesting, eh?

            Regards, Nish


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            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)

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            Raj Lal
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            So you want to say that Judging a statement depends on 1. WHO and 1a. WHO's LOOKS gives a new dimension to the person biasness :)

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              For people to either realy like me or really hate me so I just let my work speak for itself. You are completely correct though, most people are concerned with appearance over function. Why do you think the ipod sales so well.

              On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

              Why do you think the ipod sales so well.

              because it works well.

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                There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do :-) And recently someone posted a link where a bunch of 6 month old babies were more attracted by a good looking model than by a normal woman. So even at 6 months, humans tend to appreciate good looks. Interesting, eh?

                Regards, Nish


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                Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)

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                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do

                Explains why I have gotten in so much trouble. :)


                I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:

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                • R Raj Lal

                  Its something we come across every day We judge a statement more by WHO is saying than WHAT is he saying, i like to define this as person (not personal) biasness if there is no other term already coined for it. Well normally a "person biasness" gives a 70% weight to WHO and 30% to WHAT I think it should be 50/50 percent or may be WHAT should be given more importance then WHO What you guys think ? * if the post would have been by chris, you would have started pondering on it already, thats how i define person biasness , if this doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will

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                  Boro_Bob
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                  This is obvious. Thats why companies pay celebrities vast sums of money to endorse their products.

                  Words fade as the meanings change, but somehow, it don't bother me.

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                  • R Raj Lal

                    Its something we come across every day We judge a statement more by WHO is saying than WHAT is he saying, i like to define this as person (not personal) biasness if there is no other term already coined for it. Well normally a "person biasness" gives a 70% weight to WHO and 30% to WHAT I think it should be 50/50 percent or may be WHAT should be given more importance then WHO What you guys think ? * if the post would have been by chris, you would have started pondering on it already, thats how i define person biasness , if this doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will

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                    Like Mike said, trust in WHO is very important. Another thing to consider is the less familiar I am with WHO the more time I may spend thinking about WHY they said something, meaning less time thinking about WHAT.

                    BW


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                    • R Raj Lal

                      Its something we come across every day We judge a statement more by WHO is saying than WHAT is he saying, i like to define this as person (not personal) biasness if there is no other term already coined for it. Well normally a "person biasness" gives a 70% weight to WHO and 30% to WHAT I think it should be 50/50 percent or may be WHAT should be given more importance then WHO What you guys think ? * if the post would have been by chris, you would have started pondering on it already, thats how i define person biasness , if this doesn't convince you, then I don't know what will

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                      Chris S Kaiser
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                      More often than not I'm considered wierd. I usually don't debate it. But it definately colors the way people take the information I offer up. Funny that. Often times the info is correct, and they fail to benefit due to pre-conceived notions. Oh well, mostly they're loss.

                      This statement is false.

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                      • L Lost User

                        IMHO the WHO is very, VERY important. In today's world we get flooded with information and advertising. Learning who you can trust and/or believe is vital.

                        "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                        If you deny correct information based on your opinion of the source, then your losing. I say the information, the what is more important. Of course the exception to this rule is the person who lies a lot. But if you just don't agree with the person's style or opinions, then dismissing data based on that opinion is limited and weak.

                        This statement is false.

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                          Like Mike said, trust in WHO is very important. Another thing to consider is the less familiar I am with WHO the more time I may spend thinking about WHY they said something, meaning less time thinking about WHAT.

                          BW


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                          Raj Lal
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                          So basically any statement made should be jusdged based on , WHO, WHAT as well as WHY, That reminds me of the Four Agreements hereClickety[^] where the author says "Don't take anything personally"

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                            There are also surveys that show that good looking people (male/female) get away with a lot more than other people do :-) And recently someone posted a link where a bunch of 6 month old babies were more attracted by a good looking model than by a normal woman. So even at 6 months, humans tend to appreciate good looks. Interesting, eh?

                            Regards, Nish


                            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)

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                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            a bunch of 6 month old babies were more attracted by a good looking model than by a normal woman

                            I saw a program on Discovery channel that says the same thing. I think it was titled "The Science of Beauty". It tries to quantify beauty by the symmetry between your left and right side of the face, the distance from the temple to the nose and nose to chin, etc. Quite interesting, really. It is true though that good looking people get away with a lot more.

                            "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia

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                              More often than not I'm considered wierd. I usually don't debate it. But it definately colors the way people take the information I offer up. Funny that. Often times the info is correct, and they fail to benefit due to pre-conceived notions. Oh well, mostly they're loss.

                              This statement is false.

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                              Raj Lal
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                              The whole thing is so funny People will buy stuffs just because the model in the ad was beautiful Somehow could not digest it , i think WHAT is always important then WHO

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                                IMHO the WHO is very, VERY important. In today's world we get flooded with information and advertising. Learning who you can trust and/or believe is vital.

                                "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                                I don't agree with you completely, its quite vital if its a matter of trust WHO is important but the information itself is the core, The information should also be judged independently irrespective of the WHO and WHAT should get a fair chance. IF you CEO says that the project needs to be a web application and you Project manager thinks that it needs to be a distributed application, you cannot just agree with the CEO or PM you have to decide based on the information what should be done

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                                  Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                  Why do you think the ipod sales so well.

                                  because it works well.

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                                  Raj Lal
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                                  Chris Losinger wrote:

                                  because it works well.

                                  So does all the competitive MP3 players out there

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                                    I don't agree with you completely, its quite vital if its a matter of trust WHO is important but the information itself is the core, The information should also be judged independently irrespective of the WHO and WHAT should get a fair chance. IF you CEO says that the project needs to be a web application and you Project manager thinks that it needs to be a distributed application, you cannot just agree with the CEO or PM you have to decide based on the information what should be done

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                                    Quartz... wrote:

                                    The information should also be judged independently irrespective of the WHO and WHAT should get a fair chance.

                                    As long as it's verifiable data that's easy and obvious. Data is king. However, when it comes to "opinion" the WHO becomes important as well.

                                    Quartz... wrote:

                                    IF you CEO says that the project needs to be a web application and you Project manager thinks that it needs to be a distributed application, you cannot just agree with the CEO or PM you have to decide based on the information what should be done

                                    Except the CEO is the top of the food-chain and has the final word. While I might have an opinion and will certainly voice that opinion the CEO and PM will ultimately decide on the application type.

                                    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                                      If you deny correct information based on your opinion of the source, then your losing. I say the information, the what is more important. Of course the exception to this rule is the person who lies a lot. But if you just don't agree with the person's style or opinions, then dismissing data based on that opinion is limited and weak.

                                      This statement is false.

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                                      Chris S Kaiser wrote:

                                      If you deny correct information based on your opinion of the source, then your losing.

                                      Who said anything about denying correct information? All I said was that with the flood of data these days you need to learn who you can trust. Sheesh!

                                      "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                                        Chris Losinger wrote:

                                        because it works well.

                                        So does all the competitive MP3 players out there

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                                        i have 1000+ songs i bought from iTunes. will any one those other players play them ?

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                                        • R Raj Lal

                                          So basically any statement made should be jusdged based on , WHO, WHAT as well as WHY, That reminds me of the Four Agreements hereClickety[^] where the author says "Don't take anything personally"

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                                          Quartz... wrote:

                                          So basically any statement made should be jusdged based on , WHO, WHAT as well as WHY,

                                          A listener needs to try to interpret the message as having the meaning it was intended to have. I haven't Ruiz, but I think not taking anything personally is a pretty sad way to go through life. When someone tells me they love me, I'm not supposed to take that personally? I think it's better to learn what to take to heart and what to leave behind.

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