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Very good movie indeed. The ending was a bit surprizing. However, I personally prefer the TV show 24's plotlines to the most movies of the same type since they usually show that someone on the inside of CTU has to be helping those on the outside for them to be so successful. Otherwise, any terrorist with a half-baked plan could be able to bring in as many bombs as they want. But 24 did the overkill by having CTU infiltrated so many times. I mean how incompetent are they? If you liked The Seige go watch The Last Castle with Robert Redford. Very good movie. Spy Game was excellent too except the Arabic songs, according to my wife, were from the year the movie was made and not from the past as claimed.
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Thanks - I'll check out the others that you recommended.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think.
That surprises me. I thought you would have completely backed the general. (I saw the film myself some years ago.)
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John Carson wrote:
That surprises me.
Why? I'm a firm conservative but that doesn't mean I don't reevaluate my positions. The plot wasn't what grabbed me but what did was the unintended consequences of the wholesale round-up. The round-up was profiling in the extreme. I'm about 80/20 in favor of profiling and the movie really did slow me down.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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This flick[^] was on HBO a couple of nights ago. I started watching it about halfway through, so I obviously missed some scenes that set the stage for what I did see. The story line is essentially Islamic terrorism in New York City. Bruce Willis played an arrogant army general who was given command of the situation. That command included the ability to declare marshall law and suspend constituitional protections. Willis played the part well. Denzell Washington was an FBI agent who was shocked at the actions of the general and tried to fight back within the confines of his power but was unable to stop the general until the end. The end came when the FBI agent actually captured the lone member (complete with a homicide bomb vest) of the remaining terrorist cell. The frightening part was obviously the actions of the general. He had his men round up every young Arab Muslim male in Brooklyn and herd them all into holding pens constructed in Shea Stadium. One such young Muslim was the son of yet another FBI agent, a Muslim of Arabic descent with 10 years of experience at the FBI. The terrorist captured by the FBI agent was a supposed friend of the agent (Denzell) whom he was protecting from the general. It was obviously the actions of the general who flushed the terrorist into the open so that the FBI agent who was protecting him could then capture him. So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think. Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
marshall law
It's martial (I think) :cool:
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Makes me wonder what would be the commentary if it was made now.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
marshall law
It's martial (I think) :cool:
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Makes me wonder what would be the commentary if it was made now.
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It's martial
you're right. thanks
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Thanks - I'll check out the others that you recommended.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Why not check out our own history. Ethnic Japanese were rounded up during WWII and put into camps. Profiling at it's most worthless.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
Profiling doesn't mean rounding people up. It means paying special attention to those who deserve it.
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This flick[^] was on HBO a couple of nights ago. I started watching it about halfway through, so I obviously missed some scenes that set the stage for what I did see. The story line is essentially Islamic terrorism in New York City. Bruce Willis played an arrogant army general who was given command of the situation. That command included the ability to declare marshall law and suspend constituitional protections. Willis played the part well. Denzell Washington was an FBI agent who was shocked at the actions of the general and tried to fight back within the confines of his power but was unable to stop the general until the end. The end came when the FBI agent actually captured the lone member (complete with a homicide bomb vest) of the remaining terrorist cell. The frightening part was obviously the actions of the general. He had his men round up every young Arab Muslim male in Brooklyn and herd them all into holding pens constructed in Shea Stadium. One such young Muslim was the son of yet another FBI agent, a Muslim of Arabic descent with 10 years of experience at the FBI. The terrorist captured by the FBI agent was a supposed friend of the agent (Denzell) whom he was protecting from the general. It was obviously the actions of the general who flushed the terrorist into the open so that the FBI agent who was protecting him could then capture him. So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think. Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
I remember watching it in a theater shortly after it's release. Seemed a bit over the top at the time... some parts still do, but i confess i've thought about it a lot since 9/11. It's a good movie.
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Profiling doesn't mean rounding people up. It means paying special attention to those who deserve it.
In a broad and theoretical sense, that may be true. But you are being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that in this thread we have been talking about racial profiling. -- modified at 2:53 Sunday 27th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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This flick[^] was on HBO a couple of nights ago. I started watching it about halfway through, so I obviously missed some scenes that set the stage for what I did see. The story line is essentially Islamic terrorism in New York City. Bruce Willis played an arrogant army general who was given command of the situation. That command included the ability to declare marshall law and suspend constituitional protections. Willis played the part well. Denzell Washington was an FBI agent who was shocked at the actions of the general and tried to fight back within the confines of his power but was unable to stop the general until the end. The end came when the FBI agent actually captured the lone member (complete with a homicide bomb vest) of the remaining terrorist cell. The frightening part was obviously the actions of the general. He had his men round up every young Arab Muslim male in Brooklyn and herd them all into holding pens constructed in Shea Stadium. One such young Muslim was the son of yet another FBI agent, a Muslim of Arabic descent with 10 years of experience at the FBI. The terrorist captured by the FBI agent was a supposed friend of the agent (Denzell) whom he was protecting from the general. It was obviously the actions of the general who flushed the terrorist into the open so that the FBI agent who was protecting him could then capture him. So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think. Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
It was a good film in that it raised the conflict of interests and didn't give you an easy way out. Tony Shaloub played the FBI agent by the way, one of his better roles. Elaine :rose:
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It was a good film in that it raised the conflict of interests and didn't give you an easy way out. Tony Shaloub played the FBI agent by the way, one of his better roles. Elaine :rose:
I haven't a clue who Tony Shaloub is, but I voted this a 5 to balance out that one vote you got for some weird reason.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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This flick[^] was on HBO a couple of nights ago. I started watching it about halfway through, so I obviously missed some scenes that set the stage for what I did see. The story line is essentially Islamic terrorism in New York City. Bruce Willis played an arrogant army general who was given command of the situation. That command included the ability to declare marshall law and suspend constituitional protections. Willis played the part well. Denzell Washington was an FBI agent who was shocked at the actions of the general and tried to fight back within the confines of his power but was unable to stop the general until the end. The end came when the FBI agent actually captured the lone member (complete with a homicide bomb vest) of the remaining terrorist cell. The frightening part was obviously the actions of the general. He had his men round up every young Arab Muslim male in Brooklyn and herd them all into holding pens constructed in Shea Stadium. One such young Muslim was the son of yet another FBI agent, a Muslim of Arabic descent with 10 years of experience at the FBI. The terrorist captured by the FBI agent was a supposed friend of the agent (Denzell) whom he was protecting from the general. It was obviously the actions of the general who flushed the terrorist into the open so that the FBI agent who was protecting him could then capture him. So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think. Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
I saw this movie on our satellite channel just before September 2001.I thought that the movie a bit far fetched and no terrorists could attack the FBI head quarters(as depicted in the movie). Little did I know that,in a few days terrorists would attack not the FBI but the Pentagon itself(besides the WTC). In the next few days after September 11 2001, I was contantly replaying of the scenes of the movie in my mind and would wonder how close to the reality the movie was.... Agni
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I haven't a clue who Tony Shaloub is, but I voted this a 5 to balance out that one vote you got for some weird reason.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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Ah... Every time I see him I always think of Wings when he played Antonio Scarpacci. That was one of my favorite sitcoms before I stopped watching TV.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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In a broad and theoretical sense, that may be true. But you are being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that in this thread we have been talking about racial profiling. -- modified at 2:53 Sunday 27th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
In a broad and theoretical sense, that may be true. But you are being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that in this thread we have been talking about racial profiling.
Actually, no. This thread is about rounding people up. You're disingenuously attempting to equate racial profiling with rounding people up.
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dennisd45 wrote:
In a broad and theoretical sense, that may be true. But you are being disingenuous by ignoring the fact that in this thread we have been talking about racial profiling.
Actually, no. This thread is about rounding people up. You're disingenuously attempting to equate racial profiling with rounding people up.
espeir wrote:
Actually, no. This thread is about rounding people up. You're disingenuously attempting to equate racial profiling with rounding people up.
And why were they rounded up? Because of their RACE! That is the essence of racial profiling. Nothing disingenuous about it. Notice the content of this post: By the person who began this thread[^] Please note his reference to profiling. -- modified at 22:54 Sunday 27th August, 2006 My apologies to Vincent: Goldfish[^]
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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espeir wrote:
Actually, no. This thread is about rounding people up. You're disingenuously attempting to equate racial profiling with rounding people up.
And why were they rounded up? Because of their RACE! That is the essence of racial profiling. Nothing disingenuous about it. Notice the content of this post: By the person who began this thread[^] Please note his reference to profiling. -- modified at 22:54 Sunday 27th August, 2006 My apologies to Vincent: Goldfish[^]
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
And why were they rounded up? Because of their RACE! That is the essence of racial profiling. Nothing disingenuous about it.
Ummmm...No it's not. I suggest you look up the definition of "racial profiling". It has nothing to do with rounding people up. Racial profiling (from the word "profile") means that you consider their race as a factor in determining whether they fit the expected profile of the person or type of person you're looking for. Rounding someone up by race is not equivalent to that in any way shape or form.
dennisd45 wrote:
Notice the content of this post: By the person who began this thread[^]
If you're going to be fallacious, at least appeal to an authority with authority.
dennisd45 wrote:
My apologies to Vincent: Goldfish[^]
Can't you come up with your own insults?
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dennisd45 wrote:
And why were they rounded up? Because of their RACE! That is the essence of racial profiling. Nothing disingenuous about it.
Ummmm...No it's not. I suggest you look up the definition of "racial profiling". It has nothing to do with rounding people up. Racial profiling (from the word "profile") means that you consider their race as a factor in determining whether they fit the expected profile of the person or type of person you're looking for. Rounding someone up by race is not equivalent to that in any way shape or form.
dennisd45 wrote:
Notice the content of this post: By the person who began this thread[^]
If you're going to be fallacious, at least appeal to an authority with authority.
dennisd45 wrote:
My apologies to Vincent: Goldfish[^]
Can't you come up with your own insults?
espeir wrote:
Ummmm...No it's not
Yes it is. You can go on and deny that it's not, that evolution is not science, that the Wall Street Journal is a leftist rag. Doesn't make any of it true.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
marshall law
It's martial (I think) :cool:
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Makes me wonder what would be the commentary if it was made now.
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espeir wrote:
Ummmm...No it's not
Yes it is. You can go on and deny that it's not, that evolution is not science, that the Wall Street Journal is a leftist rag. Doesn't make any of it true.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
Whatever floats your boat buddy. Profiling = concentrantion camps. Gotcha. :laugh:
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This flick[^] was on HBO a couple of nights ago. I started watching it about halfway through, so I obviously missed some scenes that set the stage for what I did see. The story line is essentially Islamic terrorism in New York City. Bruce Willis played an arrogant army general who was given command of the situation. That command included the ability to declare marshall law and suspend constituitional protections. Willis played the part well. Denzell Washington was an FBI agent who was shocked at the actions of the general and tried to fight back within the confines of his power but was unable to stop the general until the end. The end came when the FBI agent actually captured the lone member (complete with a homicide bomb vest) of the remaining terrorist cell. The frightening part was obviously the actions of the general. He had his men round up every young Arab Muslim male in Brooklyn and herd them all into holding pens constructed in Shea Stadium. One such young Muslim was the son of yet another FBI agent, a Muslim of Arabic descent with 10 years of experience at the FBI. The terrorist captured by the FBI agent was a supposed friend of the agent (Denzell) whom he was protecting from the general. It was obviously the actions of the general who flushed the terrorist into the open so that the FBI agent who was protecting him could then capture him. So on the one hand, the movie had a US Army General trampling on constituitional freedoms to track down terrorist cells while an FBI agent protested and tried to fight back. The actions of both resulted in the capture. It sure made me pause and think. Even more interesting, the movie was made in 1998.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Yes, it's a good movie, not as a caricature as usual Hollywood productions. I hope more of the hysterical anti-muslim-burn-'em-all crowd will look at it and also be able to think about it. Individuals are the problem, not collectivity.
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