Sad but true
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You have a bizarre need to define other people's feeling and opinions. It does simplify your life - you don't actually have to listen to what anybody actually says.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
I don't define them. I observe them. Consider my talent a curse on you.
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espeir wrote:
clear and legal victory
More republican dribble. Had we used a half-way modern voting system, Gore would have won. He had the popular vote.
espeir wrote:
Do you grind your teeth at night?
Do you suck your thumb at night?
Hello, world! wrote:
Had we used a half-way modern voting system, Gore would have won. He had the popular vote.
No so. Every single study of the election by groups and newspapers on both sides of the political spectrum and of all of the contested ballots in Florida concluded that Bush won, hands down. Thank God and the stars that we don't have a popular vote in the United States! The popular vote is too easily swayed by hyperbole, demagoguery and histrionics.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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I don't define them. I observe them. Consider my talent a curse on you.
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Hello, world! wrote:
Had we used a half-way modern voting system, Gore would have won. He had the popular vote.
No so. Every single study of the election by groups and newspapers on both sides of the political spectrum and of all of the contested ballots in Florida concluded that Bush won, hands down. Thank God and the stars that we don't have a popular vote in the United States! The popular vote is too easily swayed by hyperbole, demagoguery and histrionics.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
No so. Every single study of the election by groups and newspapers on both sides of the political spectrum and of all of the contested ballots in Florida concluded that Bush won, hands down.
Untrue. The group of newspapers that did a recount found that in 6 of the 9 recount scenarios, Gore would have won. But none of that is actually relevant, since the Supreme court, aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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It is sad but America is really like this http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0635,fiore,74276,9.html[^]
Kyle?
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Kyle?
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A kid who likes to troll here from time to time by creating new user accounts and posting inane messages purporting to be from the far right/far left...
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A kid who likes to troll here from time to time by creating new user accounts and posting inane messages purporting to be from the far right/far left...
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Hello, world! wrote:
What is his screen name?
Well, there's the rub, eh? You might as well ask for a portrait of The Trickster! What is his screen name today?
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Hello, world! wrote:
What is his screen name?
Well, there's the rub, eh? You might as well ask for a portrait of The Trickster! What is his screen name today?
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Shog9 wrote:
What is his screen name today?
Hello, world!
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Hello, world! wrote:
What is his screen name?
Well, there's the rub, eh? You might as well ask for a portrait of The Trickster! What is his screen name today?
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Shog9 wrote:
What is his screen name today?
No, this is my screen name, and it has been for the last several months.
And we never know under which new alias you're going to rear your ugly head. - Tim Craig
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It is sad but America is really like this http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0635,fiore,74276,9.html[^]
Which America do you live in? Mine's not a bit like this.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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ahz wrote:
No so. Every single study of the election by groups and newspapers on both sides of the political spectrum and of all of the contested ballots in Florida concluded that Bush won, hands down.
Untrue. The group of newspapers that did a recount found that in 6 of the 9 recount scenarios, Gore would have won. But none of that is actually relevant, since the Supreme court, aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. The group of newspapers that did a recount found that in 6 of the 9 recount scenarios, Gore would have won.
You got a source for that?
dennisd45 wrote:
since the Supreme court, aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
Not true, the surpreme court said the way gore wanted to cherry-pick recount counties would be unfair, they had to recount the whole state.
My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. The group of newspapers that did a recount found that in 6 of the 9 recount scenarios, Gore would have won.
You got a source for that?
dennisd45 wrote:
since the Supreme court, aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
Not true, the surpreme court said the way gore wanted to cherry-pick recount counties would be unfair, they had to recount the whole state.
My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
You got a source for that?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1095[^]
kgaddy wrote:
they had to recount the whole state.
But a recount did not take place. As I said the Supreme court aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
kgaddy wrote:
the surpreme court said the way gore wanted to cherry-pick recount counties would be unfair
Not exactly what they said, in any case a very flawed decision, that will likely cause many problems in the future. -- modified at 12:14 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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kgaddy wrote:
You got a source for that?
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1095[^]
kgaddy wrote:
they had to recount the whole state.
But a recount did not take place. As I said the Supreme court aborted the election process and gave the presidency to Bush.
kgaddy wrote:
the surpreme court said the way gore wanted to cherry-pick recount counties would be unfair
Not exactly what they said, in any case a very flawed decision, that will likely cause many problems in the future. -- modified at 12:14 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Oh, please! "The study's key result: When the consortium tried to simulate a recount of all uncounted ballots statewide using six different standards for what constituted a vote" That's the key part. Democrats wanted to change the law! They wanted to use different methods of counting votes (other than the ones specified by law) and pick the method that elected Gore. That's why the Supreme Court stepped in. The Democratic Party wanted to illegally alter the methods used in order to put Gore into the presidency. Every single recount that actually followed the law showed Bush a clear winner.
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You do define. Unfortunately you do not observe. For you it is not a talent, but a curse.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
That sounds like you were trying to make a Haiku.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Oh, please! "The study's key result: When the consortium tried to simulate a recount of all uncounted ballots statewide using six different standards for what constituted a vote" That's the key part. Democrats wanted to change the law! They wanted to use different methods of counting votes (other than the ones specified by law) and pick the method that elected Gore. That's why the Supreme Court stepped in. The Democratic Party wanted to illegally alter the methods used in order to put Gore into the presidency. Every single recount that actually followed the law showed Bush a clear winner.
espeir wrote:
Oh, please!
Translation: This article makes statements that espeir disagrees with, therefore it must be leftist.
espeir wrote:
Democrats wanted to change the law!
Fabrication on your part. Provide a source for this statement.
espeir wrote:
wanted to use different methods of counting votes (other than the ones specified by law)
Really? How do you know that? Is there a nation or statewide legal standard? What is it? How does it differ from the methods chosen? What Democrats tried to do this?
espeir wrote:
That's why the Supreme Court stepped in.
Untrue.
espeir wrote:
The Democratic Party wanted to illegally alter the methods used in order to put Gore into the presidency.
Untrue. Gore ask for recounts in specific counties and that is allowed by Florida law.
espeir wrote:
Every single recount that actually followed the law showed Bush a clear winner.
Untrue. The 3 methods that showed bush winning were partial recounts, limited to specific counties. The six that showed Gore winning were state-wide.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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espeir wrote:
Oh, please!
Translation: This article makes statements that espeir disagrees with, therefore it must be leftist.
espeir wrote:
Democrats wanted to change the law!
Fabrication on your part. Provide a source for this statement.
espeir wrote:
wanted to use different methods of counting votes (other than the ones specified by law)
Really? How do you know that? Is there a nation or statewide legal standard? What is it? How does it differ from the methods chosen? What Democrats tried to do this?
espeir wrote:
That's why the Supreme Court stepped in.
Untrue.
espeir wrote:
The Democratic Party wanted to illegally alter the methods used in order to put Gore into the presidency.
Untrue. Gore ask for recounts in specific counties and that is allowed by Florida law.
espeir wrote:
Every single recount that actually followed the law showed Bush a clear winner.
Untrue. The 3 methods that showed bush winning were partial recounts, limited to specific counties. The six that showed Gore winning were state-wide.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Fabrication on your part. Provide a source for this statement.
Remember hanging chads? Even the link you provided showed that the "recounts" changed the rules. Talk about trying to undermine Democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
Really? How do you know that? Is there a nation or statewide legal standard? What is it? How does it differ from the methods chosen? What Democrats tried to do this?
Elections are managed at the county-level. Democrats wanted to "reinterpret" votes in certain counties with "hanging chads". Remember how Democrats said that all votes for Buchanan should be transferred to Gore because the "butterfly ballot" was confusing and all those Palm Beach people really meant to vote for Gore? It was utter, illegal nonsense. I'm ashamed that such a large percentage of our country actually advocated the knowing falsification of an election like that. It's embarrassing.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue.
True.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. Gore ask for recounts in specific counties and that is allowed by Florida law.
True. They wanted to alter the methods used to count ballots.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. The 3 methods that showed bush winning were partial recounts, limited to specific counties. The six that showed Gore winning were state-wide.
Wrong! The 6 listed on that web site used "six different standards for what constituted a vote" (their words). All those that actually used the legal standard showed that Bush had won. That was the problem. The Democrats were trying to change the rules after the election to benefit their candidate and it had to be stopped. This isn't a Banana Republic, you know. It's absolutely atrocious behavior and is completely in line with my view of leftists as undemocratic favors of despotism.
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dennisd45 wrote:
Fabrication on your part. Provide a source for this statement.
Remember hanging chads? Even the link you provided showed that the "recounts" changed the rules. Talk about trying to undermine Democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
Really? How do you know that? Is there a nation or statewide legal standard? What is it? How does it differ from the methods chosen? What Democrats tried to do this?
Elections are managed at the county-level. Democrats wanted to "reinterpret" votes in certain counties with "hanging chads". Remember how Democrats said that all votes for Buchanan should be transferred to Gore because the "butterfly ballot" was confusing and all those Palm Beach people really meant to vote for Gore? It was utter, illegal nonsense. I'm ashamed that such a large percentage of our country actually advocated the knowing falsification of an election like that. It's embarrassing.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue.
True.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. Gore ask for recounts in specific counties and that is allowed by Florida law.
True. They wanted to alter the methods used to count ballots.
dennisd45 wrote:
Untrue. The 3 methods that showed bush winning were partial recounts, limited to specific counties. The six that showed Gore winning were state-wide.
Wrong! The 6 listed on that web site used "six different standards for what constituted a vote" (their words). All those that actually used the legal standard showed that Bush had won. That was the problem. The Democrats were trying to change the rules after the election to benefit their candidate and it had to be stopped. This isn't a Banana Republic, you know. It's absolutely atrocious behavior and is completely in line with my view of leftists as undemocratic favors of despotism.
Your basic argument is the Democrats wanted to change the rules. I see no evidence of that. Also, you seem to be mixing up the newspaper consortium and the Democrats. Not related. Take a look at Bush v. Gore. The Supreme court was not did not intervene because Democrats wanted to change the rules. You are wrong.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Your basic argument is the Democrats wanted to change the rules. I see no evidence of that. Also, you seem to be mixing up the newspaper consortium and the Democrats. Not related. Take a look at Bush v. Gore. The Supreme court was not did not intervene because Democrats wanted to change the rules. You are wrong.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Your basic argument is the Democrats wanted to change the rules. I see no evidence of that.
Then you have a short memory. Or maybe you're just young and buy into the propaganda.
dennisd45 wrote:
Also, you seem to be mixing up the newspaper consortium and the Democrats. Not related.
What's the difference? I'm referring to the Democrats and the fact that every subsquent legal election actually showed Bush the winner. Your link illustrated a focus on illegal recounts.
dennisd45 wrote:
Take a look at Bush v. Gore. The Supreme court was not did not intervene because Democrats wanted to change the rules. You are wrong.
Wrong. Read the decision[^] yourself and see how it repeatedly refers to Gore's attempt to include "illegal votes" as the basis for the decision.