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How good is it(Sempron 2600)? Far below Athlon? Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512MB RAM ? -- modified at 11:49 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
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I'm hoping you mean 512MB RAM. It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore, even though Gates said that you would never even need that much. The main difference between the Sempron and Athlon or the Celeron and P3/P4 is the cache. The processor can do the same work, but it won't seem nearly as fast because it doesn't have the same on-die cache.
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How good is it(Sempron 2600)? Far below Athlon? Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512MB RAM ? -- modified at 11:49 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
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Meat Loaf wrote:
Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512KB RAM ?
I'm afraid you need at least 640 KB to run it. Anyway, Sempron processors are Athlon with some of the cache switched off and the frequency cut down. Basically, they are "patched" broken Athlon, like Celeron are "patched" broken Pentium (Ok, Pentium doesn't exit anymore). This way they can sell at least a part of the CPUs that didn't pass the quality tests. Sempron are far slower than their brothers. Go for a dual core Athlon X2 5000+ on socket AM2. :cool: ________________________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.0 RC, now with AJAX Preview.
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I'm hoping you mean 512MB RAM. It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore, even though Gates said that you would never even need that much. The main difference between the Sempron and Athlon or the Celeron and P3/P4 is the cache. The processor can do the same work, but it won't seem nearly as fast because it doesn't have the same on-die cache.
Baj22 wrote:
it doesn't have the same on-die cache
It does have it, but it's switched off because it's broken (read my next post). :)
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Baj22 wrote:
it doesn't have the same on-die cache
It does have it, but it's switched off because it's broken (read my next post). :)
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I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that the Sempron and Celeron didn't have cache, just that the cache had been modified to be inferior. (They used to remove large pieces of it) It is purely a marketing game where they will cripple a chip (which costs a little extra because it's an extra step) and then sell it at a reduced price so that they can maintain a higher price on their regular chips. My personal recomendation would be to get the full Athlon. Even if you get a slower clock speed, it could wind up being faster because of it's cache.
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I'm hoping you mean 512MB RAM. It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore, even though Gates said that you would never even need that much. The main difference between the Sempron and Athlon or the Celeron and P3/P4 is the cache. The processor can do the same work, but it won't seem nearly as fast because it doesn't have the same on-die cache.
Baj22 wrote:
It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore
I believe the confusion is with Caches. Sempron Processors have maximum of 512K L2 Caches. Most Sempron Processors have 128K or 256K, but the newer ones are coming out with 512K. Between L1 and L2 cache memory specs and physical memory, I think more people are getting confused.... Just wait for the confusion of L3 caches.
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Baj22 wrote:
It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore
I believe the confusion is with Caches. Sempron Processors have maximum of 512K L2 Caches. Most Sempron Processors have 128K or 256K, but the newer ones are coming out with 512K. Between L1 and L2 cache memory specs and physical memory, I think more people are getting confused.... Just wait for the confusion of L3 caches.
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Sorry, that should have been "It's very hard to run anything with 512K RAM anymore" The original post was asking if a sempron with 512K RAM could run VS2005. I'm sure it was a typo and I was referencing an old Bill Gates quote. 512K Cache is definately useful for the current generation of processors.
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I'm hoping you mean 512MB RAM. It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore, even though Gates said that you would never even need that much. The main difference between the Sempron and Athlon or the Celeron and P3/P4 is the cache. The processor can do the same work, but it won't seem nearly as fast because it doesn't have the same on-die cache.
Baj22 wrote:
even though Gates said that you would never even need that much.
Sorry, that's an urban legend, Gates never said any such thing[^].
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Meat Loaf wrote:
Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512KB RAM ?
I'm afraid you need at least 640 KB to run it. Anyway, Sempron processors are Athlon with some of the cache switched off and the frequency cut down. Basically, they are "patched" broken Athlon, like Celeron are "patched" broken Pentium (Ok, Pentium doesn't exit anymore). This way they can sell at least a part of the CPUs that didn't pass the quality tests. Sempron are far slower than their brothers. Go for a dual core Athlon X2 5000+ on socket AM2. :cool: ________________________________________________ Tozzi is right: Gaia is getting rid of us. Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.0 RC, now with AJAX Preview.
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Dario Solera wrote:
...Go for a dual core Athlon X2 5000+ on socket AM2.
...If you can get one. We've just had to take a downgrade on an order from Mesh as they couldn't source the processors from AMD. :sigh:
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Sorry, that should have been "It's very hard to run anything with 512K RAM anymore" The original post was asking if a sempron with 512K RAM could run VS2005. I'm sure it was a typo and I was referencing an old Bill Gates quote. 512K Cache is definately useful for the current generation of processors.
Baj22 wrote:
Sorry, that should have been "It's very hard to run anything with 512K RAM anymore"
I understood what you were referring to. I was just saying I think the original post "might" have been unclear, they may have been referencing the L2 cache of 512K which is maximum and not understanding all the RAM vs L1/L2 Cache. It can get confusing with RAM in megabytes, L2 cache of 512K and L1 cache of 128K. What exactly do you have? a lot of conflicting memory references to confuse people. :) However, the original message could have also been a type referring to 512Mb of memory which is a common distribution of hardware for cheap hardware, like the Sempron. We don't know until the poster clarifies. :)
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I'm hoping you mean 512MB RAM. It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore, even though Gates said that you would never even need that much. The main difference between the Sempron and Athlon or the Celeron and P3/P4 is the cache. The processor can do the same work, but it won't seem nearly as fast because it doesn't have the same on-die cache.
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How good is it(Sempron 2600)? Far below Athlon? Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512MB RAM ? -- modified at 11:49 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
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How good is it(Sempron 2600)? Far below Athlon? Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512MB RAM ? -- modified at 11:49 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
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It can, but you can't. (I guess, but memory throughput is the big thing for VS2005, and Semprons still have neutered caches, right?)
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How good is it(Sempron 2600)? Far below Athlon? Can it take on the VS2005 with a 512MB RAM ? -- modified at 11:49 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
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Actually I'm buying "another" PC to be used at home. I've a notebook but I find I'm stuffing more stuff into it. I need a "supporting"(may be a co-pc!) PC for my notebook. I should opt for the cheapest(but as decent as sempron) one in the market. So considered Sempron.
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It can, but you can't. (I guess, but memory throughput is the big thing for VS2005, and Semprons still have neutered caches, right?)
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I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that the Sempron and Celeron didn't have cache, just that the cache had been modified to be inferior. (They used to remove large pieces of it) It is purely a marketing game where they will cripple a chip (which costs a little extra because it's an extra step) and then sell it at a reduced price so that they can maintain a higher price on their regular chips. My personal recomendation would be to get the full Athlon. Even if you get a slower clock speed, it could wind up being faster because of it's cache.
Are you serious? It is the same chip but they purposely damage it to inflate prices of the unbroken chip. OMG that is insane. Corporate America will do anything for a dollar. That makes me want to vomit.
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Baj22 wrote:
It's very hard to run anything with 512K anymore
I believe the confusion is with Caches. Sempron Processors have maximum of 512K L2 Caches. Most Sempron Processors have 128K or 256K, but the newer ones are coming out with 512K. Between L1 and L2 cache memory specs and physical memory, I think more people are getting confused.... Just wait for the confusion of L3 caches.
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Actually I'm buying "another" PC to be used at home. I've a notebook but I find I'm stuffing more stuff into it. I need a "supporting"(may be a co-pc!) PC for my notebook. I should opt for the cheapest(but as decent as sempron) one in the market. So considered Sempron.
:)
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Are you serious? It is the same chip but they purposely damage it to inflate prices of the unbroken chip. OMG that is insane. Corporate America will do anything for a dollar. That makes me want to vomit.
how vital enterprise application are for proactive organizations leveraging collective synergy to think outside the box and formulate their key objectives into a win-win game plan with a quality-driven approach that focuses on empowering key players to drive-up their core competencies and increase expectations with an all-around initiative to drive up the bottom-line. But of course, that's all a "high level" overview of things --thedailywtf 3/21/06
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Corporate America will do anything for a dollar.
I'm surprised that that surprises you.
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