MS Ships IronPython 1.0

Dario Solera

I hate Python. Really. :-O

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Rocky Moore

I think the big question is why does it matter? What does IronPython bring to the table that the current .NET languages do not already handle?

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Kevin McFarlane

What do you dislike about it? Do you hate all scripting (or dynamic) languages or just Python?

Kevin

Dario Solera

Kevin McFarlane wrote:

Do you hate all scripting (or dynamic) languages or just Python?

Just Python. (And maybe any other non-strongly-typed language, such as PHP, JavaScript, VBScript, ...) It's more than one year that I don't use Python, and still I have nightmares sometimes. :-D I have been forced to "learn" it, and I think that it's too hard to write and debug big programs (or I'm too dumb). EDIT: not to mention the fact that blocks of code are delimited by indentation. That's crazy.

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Dario Solera

Rocky Moore wrote:

I think the big question is why does it matter? What does IronPython bring to the table that the current .NET languages do not already handle?

Good question. :~

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Roger Alsing 0

nothing... it brings .net to python code.

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Blake Miller

Well, so what. Let me know when they ship MontyPython 1.,0, however ... :laugh:

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Nemanja Trifunovic

Nice :) It was just a matter of time when such a thing would appear after the (relative) success of Jython.

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Kevin McFarlane

Well, I would imagine that whatever it is that Jython does for Java, Python (or other dynamic language) will do for .NET. But I'm not familiar enough with Python to know what this is. Maybe when we see some examples from MS or others then we'll be able to see what it brings to the picture.

Kevin

led mike

Kevin McFarlane wrote:

Do you hate all scripting (or dynamic) languages

No! Don't Hate the languages, they are great tools! What I hate is the industries infatuation with them and it's belief that robust solutions can be slopped together by script kiddies. Why do you think half the ECommerce sites break when you try to use them? Next question :laugh:

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Kastellanos Nikos

Blake Miller wrote:

Well, so what. Let me know when they ship MontyPython 1.,0, however ...

MontyPython.Net is allready done by a guy named Michael Ellis. :-> If i remember correctly..

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Kevin McFarlane

Dario Solera wrote:

Just Python. (And maybe any other non-strongly-typed language, such as PHP, JavaScript, VBScript, ...)

Well, yeah I know what you mean. I've just been struggling with some JavaScript.:mad: However, I think languages such as Python and Ruby are much better and more elegant. The impression I get is that these languages aren't intended to compete with, e.g., C# or Java but to complement them. Though obviously frameworks such as Ruby on Rails do compete to some extent.

Dario Solera wrote:

not to mention the fact that blocks of code are delimited by indentation. That's crazy.

Well, it is a little weird but from my brief play with Python I found that I soon got used to it. And at least it makes the code look regular. One of the perennial hazards of the C-family languages is the often appalling layout that developers use. The style of the JavaScript I've just been maintaining this afternoon is awful.

Kevin

vbdotnetcoder2005

In our case it will allow us to use Python code that has already been written in-house in our .Net applications, this gives us the flexibility of using either .Net or python in developing new code.

Todd Smith

IronPython offers platform dependency. Duh!

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Kevin McFarlane

There's a screencast here: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2006/08/30.html#a1515[^]

Kevin

Rocky Moore

Wow, it is hard to imagine having much code that would not depend on the OS and still be usable in .NET. Much like trying to port a C++ program to .NET, I would rewrite instead since there are probably a lot of things that will change and not be handled as I would have under WIN32. Well, for those that like and use Python, I guess it would be helpful.

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