Would you accepting me?
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fat_boy wrote:
Hey, I'm not unclean!
Look man, I'm a beer drinking pagan and I'm constantly covered in beer and other assorted filth! If there's one thing I know, it's beer-drinking paganism!
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I am from India, but since I live in a Western country, I'll answer you :-)
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
Yep, if I got that opportunity, then yes.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
Nope.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
3- Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, though I'd argue with you if you tried to defend their actions (which I doubt you will).
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
4- Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Yes, I will.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
5- Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Never. Note : I am an atheist (not a Hindu like most Indians are).
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Hello Thanks Nishant for your kind reply. I really hope we meet one day. I've always admired your replies in the forums.
Regards:rose:
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
If you think Christians are unclean, and wouldnt let them in your house then you can fuck off. If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also fuck off. Basically, if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live your life in the greater world, you are OK. If not then dont come to my country.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
No. But you would have to condemn the act.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, that is what the civilised west is all about.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Of course.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Of course not. If you hated Jews or christians though, then I would hate you for being an ignorant prick. -- modified at 8:03 Friday 8th September, 2006
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Hello
fat_boy wrote:
If you think Christians are unclean
I don't!! What do you think about muslims??
fat_boy wrote:
if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live
On the contrary!! My religion tells me not to mistreat/disrespect anyone even if he/she is a non-muslim.
Regards:rose:
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ahz wrote:
except that chance has nothing to do with it.
What do you mean?
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ahz wrote: except that chance has nothing to do with it. What do you mean?
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ahz wrote: except that chance has nothing to do with it. What do you mean?
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Okay, so are you saying that some higher entity created a god and got that god to create us?
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Not true. If there is more than one god, then none of these gods is all-powerful and, therefore, there is a God higher up than all of them.
That's just your belief. There's no given rule that the top-most god-like entity has to be singular - it can be a dual-entity and the dual-entity can be all-powerful with nothing above it.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
So in actuality, there can only be one God or none. I believe in one.
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic. You say "there can only be" as if that's fact, and then follow it up with "I believe in one". That's what they all say - Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc.
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic
I think he is being rational, very rational. And you're being very judgmental and name-calling. I think he was speaking from a logical viewpoint. First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest. If that head-god then is more powerful, then the other, lower gods are not all-powerful, making them non-gods. Therefore, there is only one god, or none.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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ahz wrote:
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Okay, so are you saying that some higher entity created a god and got that god to create us?
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)No, I am saying that God and we have always existed, all-be-it, not in our present form. We are all eternal beings. We are spiritual, eternal beings have a mortal experience on our way back to heaven.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Any Muslim who does not do the same thing with terrorism is no better than the terrorists themselves.
Yes, but then it does not mean that a non-Muslim can shed responsibility. Non-Muslims should treat terrorism the same way they treat other evils like racism.
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Non-Muslims should treat terrorism the same way they treat other evils like racism.
And that's exactly what we are doing. And because the muslim nations refuse to address the problem directly themselves, we are having to do it for them.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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all french (and belgians) are unclean by nature. the french/belgians never bathe.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic
I think he is being rational, very rational. And you're being very judgmental and name-calling. I think he was speaking from a logical viewpoint. First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest. If that head-god then is more powerful, then the other, lower gods are not all-powerful, making them non-gods. Therefore, there is only one god, or none.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
I think he is being rational, very rational.
Doesn't seem that way to me.
ahz wrote:
And you're being very judgmental and name-calling.
Judgmental, perhaps - we all do that when trying to interpret someone else. But I don't see where I indulged in name-calling.
ahz wrote:
First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest.
That's flawed logic. Why should an all-powerful entity be one? Why can't it be a fusion of 10 separate entities - that together become the strongest force in the world? I don't see why most god-believers decide that they can not only decide that there's a god entity, but also define the rules for how that god entity should be like.
Regards, Nish
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No, I am saying that God and we have always existed, all-be-it, not in our present form. We are all eternal beings. We are spiritual, eternal beings have a mortal experience on our way back to heaven.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
No, I am saying that God and we have always existed, all-be-it, not in our present form. We are all eternal beings. We are spiritual, eternal beings have a mortal experience on our way back to heaven.
Okay. Interestingly, for all their differences, the core idea in Islam, Hinduism, Christianity all seem to be the same. That we are spiritual beings on our way back to heaven. To people like me, this obviously sounds absurd, but it's funny that despite having common ideas about god and heaven, the different religions think they are all talking about mutually exclusive god-concepts :-)
Regards, Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Non-Muslims should treat terrorism the same way they treat other evils like racism.
And that's exactly what we are doing. And because the muslim nations refuse to address the problem directly themselves, we are having to do it for them.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
And because the muslim nations refuse to address the problem directly themselves, we are having to do it for them.
Yes, that, which is a separate political issue (since governments are involved), is very true.
Regards, Nish
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ahz wrote:
No, I am saying that God and we have always existed, all-be-it, not in our present form. We are all eternal beings. We are spiritual, eternal beings have a mortal experience on our way back to heaven.
Okay. Interestingly, for all their differences, the core idea in Islam, Hinduism, Christianity all seem to be the same. That we are spiritual beings on our way back to heaven. To people like me, this obviously sounds absurd, but it's funny that despite having common ideas about god and heaven, the different religions think they are all talking about mutually exclusive god-concepts :-)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
To people like me, this obviously sounds absurd,
understandable. I can see that from your viewpoint it all seems irrational.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
but it's funny that despite having common ideas about god and heaven, the different religions think they are all talking about mutually exclusive god-concepts
yeah that does seem funny, but I hear Islamists/muslims saying that their god is the same as the Jews/Christians. And Jews and Christians say they have the same God too. So it does all seem incomprehensible that there could be so much division and strife. But that's humanity for ya!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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ahz wrote:
I think he is being rational, very rational.
Doesn't seem that way to me.
ahz wrote:
And you're being very judgmental and name-calling.
Judgmental, perhaps - we all do that when trying to interpret someone else. But I don't see where I indulged in name-calling.
ahz wrote:
First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest.
That's flawed logic. Why should an all-powerful entity be one? Why can't it be a fusion of 10 separate entities - that together become the strongest force in the world? I don't see why most god-believers decide that they can not only decide that there's a god entity, but also define the rules for how that god entity should be like.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Why can't it be a fusion of 10 separate entities
Fusion implies they become one entity.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
why most god-believers decide that they can not only decide that there's a god entity, but also define the rules for how that god entity should be like.
1. because it causes confusion and the religious beliefs around multiple gods are really always seen as demi-gods. 2. because monotheists believe that god told them that there is only one god. and then they, of course had to make up the rules by which that could be so. Personally, I do believe in One God tha I worship. But I also believe that one day we can all become Gods in our own right. So I also "believe" that there are multiple Gods.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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all french (and belgians) are unclean by nature. the french/belgians never bathe.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Hello
fat_boy wrote:
If you think Christians are unclean
I don't!! What do you think about muslims??
fat_boy wrote:
if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live
On the contrary!! My religion tells me not to mistreat/disrespect anyone even if he/she is a non-muslim.
Regards:rose:
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go away pig.
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:) What do I say,Pigs are your fate now. :rolleyes:
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
If you think Christians are unclean, and wouldnt let them in your house then you can fuck off. If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also fuck off. Basically, if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live your life in the greater world, you are OK. If not then dont come to my country.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
No. But you would have to condemn the act.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, that is what the civilised west is all about.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Of course.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Of course not. If you hated Jews or christians though, then I would hate you for being an ignorant prick. -- modified at 8:03 Friday 8th September, 2006
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
the civilised west
:laugh: :laugh:
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fat_boy wrote:
the civilised west
:laugh: :laugh:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
To people like me, this obviously sounds absurd,
understandable. I can see that from your viewpoint it all seems irrational.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
but it's funny that despite having common ideas about god and heaven, the different religions think they are all talking about mutually exclusive god-concepts
yeah that does seem funny, but I hear Islamists/muslims saying that their god is the same as the Jews/Christians. And Jews and Christians say they have the same God too. So it does all seem incomprehensible that there could be so much division and strife. But that's humanity for ya!
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
yeah that does seem funny, but I hear Islamists/muslims saying that their god is the same as the Jews/Christians. And Jews and Christians say they have the same God too. So it does all seem incomprehensible that there could be so much division and strife.
Much of the debate hinges on who the Messiah is, not whether there is a God or not. A lot of folks believe there is a God, but only Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he died for our sins.
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