States of a Nation
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
The first quote to me says, "This bin Laden fellow is a really really scary guy, kinda like Hitler and Stalin! The question is, are you going to show your patriotic fear (by voting Republican this fall) or not?"
:~ Oooo....Kaayyyy.... Like I said, that's not anything near what he said but you decided to incorrectly interpret it that way. Then you turn around and call HIM a fear-mongerer.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
The left is afraid? It's the right that's doing the fear mongering and is willing to give up our rights in exchange for safety.
Conservatives have confronted and dealt with the threat posed to us. The giving up of rights claim is fear-mongering by the left. The fear-mongering attributed to Bush, as you have just demonstrated, is unfounded.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
I'm a long time Republican (going back to the Regan era) and I find President Bush's use of "threats" to slice away our fundemntal liberties thoroughly scary. So, it isn't just "them lefties" who're concerned, bucko!
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
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I'm a long time Republican (going back to the Regan era) and I find President Bush's use of "threats" to slice away our fundemntal liberties thoroughly scary. So, it isn't just "them lefties" who're concerned, bucko!
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
If you recall, Reagan painted "The Evil Empire" in a similar (and equally justified) light. Although in Bush's case, we were actually attacked in a very significant way, thereby justifying any and all rhetoric about "threats". But I am still curious as to what you believe constitutes fear-mongering on his part, what civil liberties you believe you have lost and why you believe that referring to the obviously real threat of eminating from the middle east puts Bush in a different boat than FDR, Wilson, Lincoln or any of the founding fathers who all strove to fight enemies of American Freedom.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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Oh c'mon, you know President Bush has been playing the monster-under-the-bed card way too much to justify far too many things...including the erosion of your liberties and due process rights.
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
Jerry Hammond wrote:
President Bush has been playing the monster-under-the-bed card
look, as far as you and others of the same ilk are concerned there is nothing he could do right. if he let up on the terrorist focus and something happened there is no question in my mind that you'd be one of the first posting, "instead of [you pick something to insert here] he should have been doing something to keep this from happening." point in fact, he's doing his job and doing it a damn site better than his predecessors, including Clinton, his father, Reagan and Carter - all presidents that fiddled while we were attacked and made 9-11 possible through inaction.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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I'm a long time Republican (going back to the Regan era) and I find President Bush's use of "threats" to slice away our fundemntal liberties thoroughly scary. So, it isn't just "them lefties" who're concerned, bucko!
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
Jerry Hammond wrote:
to slice away our fundemntal liberties
which one did you lose?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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I'm a long time Republican (going back to the Regan era) and I find President Bush's use of "threats" to slice away our fundemntal liberties thoroughly scary. So, it isn't just "them lefties" who're concerned, bucko!
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
Jerry Hammond wrote:
to slice away our fundemntal liberties
I discovered you're correct - we're losing our freedom of speech[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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espeir wrote:
Uhhh...I still don't see anything that equates to "be afraid....be very afraid".
The first quote to me says, "This bin Laden fellow is a really really scary guy, kinda like Hitler and Stalin! The question is, are you going to show your patriotic fear (by voting Republican this fall) or not?"
espeir wrote:
The first quote says we need to fight them...not be afraid of them (as the left apparently is).
The left is afraid? It's the right that's doing the fear mongering and is willing to give up our rights in exchange for safety.
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
"This bin Laden fellow is a really really scary guy, kinda like Hitler and Stalin! The question is, are you going to show your patriotic fear (by voting Republican this fall) or not?"
You know, I was actually considering not voting Republican this fall. But the more I listen to you liberals howling again, the less I like the idea of actually voting to put you in power. How about running on your merits instead of what you see as the other sides demerits, for a change. No, you won't do that, and by November, you'll once again have me convinced that you are NOT the lesser evil. Damn shame.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
President Bush has been playing the monster-under-the-bed card
look, as far as you and others of the same ilk are concerned there is nothing he could do right. if he let up on the terrorist focus and something happened there is no question in my mind that you'd be one of the first posting, "instead of [you pick something to insert here] he should have been doing something to keep this from happening." point in fact, he's doing his job and doing it a damn site better than his predecessors, including Clinton, his father, Reagan and Carter - all presidents that fiddled while we were attacked and made 9-11 possible through inaction.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
point in fact, he's doing his job and doing it a damn site better than his predecessors, including Clinton, his father, Reagan and Carter - all presidents that fiddled while we were attacked and made 9-11 possible through inaction.
Your grasp of history is flawed. Though I find Clinton's handling of terrorism--in all its forms--weak, the rest of your list and your associated assertion reveals a myopic view of events and actions.
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Oh gee, when does he ever stop?
find the fucking quote, or is it simply fun to make shit up?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
find the f****ing quote, or is it simply fun to make sh*t up?
Could he repeat the same words so close together?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
to slice away our fundemntal liberties
I discovered you're correct - we're losing our freedom of speech[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I discovered you're correct - we're losing our freedom of speech
Oh, my! Janet Jackson's boob appeared on TV for 1.3 seconds! Omigod! Won't somebody do something for the children?!?! Why, yes! Our fearful lawmakers in Washington are doing something! The Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act ... increases the top indecency fine the Federal Communications Commission can levy from $32,500 to $325,000 per incident.[^]
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
"This bin Laden fellow is a really really scary guy, kinda like Hitler and Stalin! The question is, are you going to show your patriotic fear (by voting Republican this fall) or not?"
You know, I was actually considering not voting Republican this fall. But the more I listen to you liberals howling again, the less I like the idea of actually voting to put you in power. How about running on your merits instead of what you see as the other sides demerits, for a change. No, you won't do that, and by November, you'll once again have me convinced that you are NOT the lesser evil. Damn shame.
Rob Graham wrote:
How about running on your merits instead of what you see as the other sides demerits, for a change.
That would be a nice change. Unfortunately, liberals' worst enemy is themselves.
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If you recall, Reagan painted "The Evil Empire" in a similar (and equally justified) light. Although in Bush's case, we were actually attacked in a very significant way, thereby justifying any and all rhetoric about "threats". But I am still curious as to what you believe constitutes fear-mongering on his part, what civil liberties you believe you have lost and why you believe that referring to the obviously real threat of eminating from the middle east puts Bush in a different boat than FDR, Wilson, Lincoln or any of the founding fathers who all strove to fight enemies of American Freedom.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
The detention of any American citizen without due process is an erosion of our liberty--a 2 year imprisonment without due process an outright act of facism. Some folks would call that detention the part of a security blanket against further attacks. I call that a straight jacket.
espeir wrote:
or any of the founding fathers who all strove to fight enemies of American Freedom.
Exactly. They fought to maintain those liberties. President Bush fights to end them. You don't see the difference?
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
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Rob Graham wrote:
How about running on your merits instead of what you see as the other sides demerits, for a change.
That would be a nice change. Unfortunately, liberals' worst enemy is themselves.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Unfortunately, liberals' worst enemy is themselves.
Couldn't agree more. Frankly I'm fed up with both major parties. I expect that the Dems will have a happy election, then we'll be treated to two years of "impeach Bush, fire Rumsfeld, jail Cheney..." Nothing of significance will get done, and by 2008 the Republicans will have the edge again.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
to slice away our fundemntal liberties
I discovered you're correct - we're losing our freedom of speech[^]
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
I hope you understand that I don't hold either party above the other. Most of their actions as a party have always been about maintaining or expanding their hold on power.
When was the last time you poured some wine for you and your sweetie and went out on the front porch to watch the geometry frolic on the lake?--Rebecca M. Riordan, Designing Effective Database Systems
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I discovered you're correct - we're losing our freedom of speech
Oh, my! Janet Jackson's boob appeared on TV for 1.3 seconds! Omigod! Won't somebody do something for the children?!?! Why, yes! Our fearful lawmakers in Washington are doing something! The Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act ... increases the top indecency fine the Federal Communications Commission can levy from $32,500 to $325,000 per incident.[^]
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Oh, my! Janet Jackson's boob appeared on TV for 1.3 seconds! Omigod! Won't somebody do something for the children?!?!
that was because it was an ugly tit and I had no opportunity to tell my great grand kid to turn her head. of course you may be equating Clintonian incompetence with an ugly tit, one never knows.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Relating to your post above, you'll notice that those links are Democrats attributing fear-mongering to Bush, even though no real evidence of that is there. There might be a few things that people who are scared of the world interpret as "scary" and therefore "fear-mongering", but that attribute belongs moreso to the listener as I've never interpreted Bush's tone as intended to induce fear. In fact...He keeps the "scariest" stuff secret.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds