Rush to MS Vista
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
That's news to me. Some companies Beth and I know are cautiously evaludating it, but I wouldn't call it a rush by any means. Others have never even seen it... We're taking a good look at it ourselves (particularly in terms of what it might mean for the UI of our products* and security changes, but we're not "rushing" to it by any means - we'll continue to support Win2k as long as there is a version of Visual Studio out there in significant numbers which runs on it. * the changes to the Windows SDK for Vista are significant, so we really do need to look at it in depth. In particular, the TaskDialog and AeroWizard stuff looks very interesting.
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
It's also a matter of marketing and appearance. If your products have a logo like "Runs on Windows Vista" they might appear more advanced and modern, regardless if they actually use the new features of the OS or not. :)
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
JohnSaxby wrote:
I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release.
It's called advertising I've never met anyone who is even vaguely excited about it beyond "It looks nice" from those that have seen it.
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
You mean you've never heard of lemmings? :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
JohnSaxby wrote:
What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
Let me put it this way.... Would Vista ever get safer/better if no one ever bought the operating system until relase 2? If no one rides the waves of new technology, it will never get tested, never get better. I rode the waves of AMD-X2 as soon as it was available, now that is just hardware, but the rule holds still for hardware too. But I do multi-threaded development, who better to pioneer the dual cores? If I don't and other developers never get a dual core, when will software ever become dual core ready? Someone has to ride the turbulent waves of new technology, someone needs to ride the storm front of Beta technology. Certainly everyone who isn't ready to ride those waves should wait until the rest of us find all the bugs, but someone has got to do it. Everyone should not, but some of us will.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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JohnSaxby wrote:
I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release.
It's called advertising I've never met anyone who is even vaguely excited about it beyond "It looks nice" from those that have seen it.
pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Beginning KDevelop Programming[^]
pseudonym67 wrote:
"It looks nice"
It does? :~
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JohnSaxby wrote:
What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
Let me put it this way.... Would Vista ever get safer/better if no one ever bought the operating system until relase 2? If no one rides the waves of new technology, it will never get tested, never get better. I rode the waves of AMD-X2 as soon as it was available, now that is just hardware, but the rule holds still for hardware too. But I do multi-threaded development, who better to pioneer the dual cores? If I don't and other developers never get a dual core, when will software ever become dual core ready? Someone has to ride the turbulent waves of new technology, someone needs to ride the storm front of Beta technology. Certainly everyone who isn't ready to ride those waves should wait until the rest of us find all the bugs, but someone has got to do it. Everyone should not, but some of us will.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
JohnSaxby wrote:
What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler.
Aside from the "if nobody used it.." stuff that has been mentioned before, one could very easily argue that Version 2 has been out for some time and is no longer supported. So has 3,4,5 and so on.
JohnSaxby wrote:
Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users.
With home consumers, if you were to try this you would end up with "Never, ever, sell a new version". As far as most people are concerned if its not different its the same as the old one and not worth the money. Why do car companies change their cars every year, why do food producers change the package, why do computer hardware manufacturers change the look of their computers? I understand your point, but people don't spend money on new stuff that is the same as what they already have.
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You mean you've never heard of lemmings? :-D
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Great game :-D
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Well put
As of how to accomplish that have you ever tried Google? Failing that try :badger::badger::badger:.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Well put
obviously someone disagrees. :) That's okay, I got chewed out for buying a dual-core right off the assembly line, got chewed out for running multi-boot to test/evaluate Linux and Beta OS, but hey.... I have gotten a free scanner and free software, free internet services of various types for being an official beta tester. I don't expect to get a free copy of Vista, but if work will eventually force it down my throat... and they will, army contract mandates MS Operating Systems under most cases, so if I will eventually be forced to use it, I better test the darn thing and make it better rather than just complain. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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gcailes wrote:
why would we need faster processors?
In order to get a faster machine than mine. :-D Seven people in Alamogordo and one in Las Cruces (from work) upgraded only because I did to make sure they had a faster machine than mine. :laugh: The local computer shop posted my machine specs as advertisement when I upgraded.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ed.Poore wrote:
Well put
obviously someone disagrees. :) That's okay, I got chewed out for buying a dual-core right off the assembly line, got chewed out for running multi-boot to test/evaluate Linux and Beta OS, but hey.... I have gotten a free scanner and free software, free internet services of various types for being an official beta tester. I don't expect to get a free copy of Vista, but if work will eventually force it down my throat... and they will, army contract mandates MS Operating Systems under most cases, so if I will eventually be forced to use it, I better test the darn thing and make it better rather than just complain. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I better test the darn thing and make it better
Darn, that must be tedious :rolleyes:
As of how to accomplish that have you ever tried Google? Failing that try :badger::badger::badger:.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Darn, that must be tedious
and lately near impossible. But at least I hit MS hard over the OpenGL stuff. They bent a little bit. Though I am sure my voice was not that loud.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ed.Poore wrote:
Darn, that must be tedious
and lately near impossible. But at least I hit MS hard over the OpenGL stuff. They bent a little bit. Though I am sure my voice was not that loud.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Though I am sure my voice was not that loud.
Hmm, I think you need to get some "friends in high places" kind of thing, surely the military carry some weight :rolleyes:
As of how to accomplish that have you ever tried Google? Failing that try :badger::badger::badger:.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Though I am sure my voice was not that loud.
Hmm, I think you need to get some "friends in high places" kind of thing, surely the military carry some weight :rolleyes:
As of how to accomplish that have you ever tried Google? Failing that try :badger::badger::badger:.
Ed.Poore wrote:
Hmm, I think you need to get some "friends in high places" kind of thing, surely the military carry some weight
I did remind Microsoft that the largest single contract in the military borders on using Linux every day of the week.... tipping a boulder like that in the wrong direction is bad for business.... but that was as much as I play that trump-card. Play it too often and no one takes you seriously. I do still tell stories of getting #13 SGI Infinite reality system off the assembly line, took it right out from under the intended destination by my bosses slapping down the big Trump Card. I even met the intended owner later by accident at an SGI programming class. He forgave me after he got off a few choice words. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ed.Poore wrote:
Hmm, I think you need to get some "friends in high places" kind of thing, surely the military carry some weight
I did remind Microsoft that the largest single contract in the military borders on using Linux every day of the week.... tipping a boulder like that in the wrong direction is bad for business.... but that was as much as I play that trump-card. Play it too often and no one takes you seriously. I do still tell stories of getting #13 SGI Infinite reality system off the assembly line, took it right out from under the intended destination by my bosses slapping down the big Trump Card. I even met the intended owner later by accident at an SGI programming class. He forgave me after he got off a few choice words. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
JohnSaxby wrote:
I don't know if this has already been raised. There seems to be a lot of excitement about Vista and talk of companies purchasing large numbers of PCs in readiness for its official release. What happened to the old adage still practised in the UK that you never pioneer any new technology, never run on the new version of an operating system (Release -2 used to be popular) or of a compiler. Never, unless necessary, change the look and feel for the users. I guess this doesn't apply anymore.
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