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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Try ubuntu (it comes with a live cd as well), and the first time you install it you will be surprised(atleast I was) of how it just works. I mean right out of the box installation is good enough. Gone are the days when linux was only for geeks and mircosoft haters. I though fall in the intersection of these two sets ;P.
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix
This guy[^] seemed to have had quite a different experience with Knoppix. :)
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: And in this corner, the Party of Allah The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
I highly suggest you all look into the coolness
Coolness? I thought you were talking about Linux... I use Linux all the time (most of our development at work is on Linux), and I have it installed at home and have to use it every couple of days, but I have yet to come across anything "cool" about it. It's a pain to use, mainly because to do anything slightly complex involves dropping to a command prompt and typing in an indeterminate number of very obfuscated commands. I use it because I have to, not because it's "cool".
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Try ubuntu (it comes with a live cd as well), and the first time you install it you will be surprised(atleast I was) of how it just works. I mean right out of the box installation is good enough. Gone are the days when linux was only for geeks and mircosoft haters. I though fall in the intersection of these two sets ;P.
I tried Ubuntu. And then I tried Debian. And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works. :)
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
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Hockey wrote:
I highly suggest you all look into the coolness
Coolness? I thought you were talking about Linux... I use Linux all the time (most of our development at work is on Linux), and I have it installed at home and have to use it every couple of days, but I have yet to come across anything "cool" about it. It's a pain to use, mainly because to do anything slightly complex involves dropping to a command prompt and typing in an indeterminate number of very obfuscated commands. I use it because I have to, not because it's "cool".
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
I dunno. I thought apt-get was pretty darned slick. And I kinda wish I had iptables on Windows. And there's a few other things that are pretty nice. I like Gnome a lot. :)
Once you wanted revolution
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards
In Windows the OS does the wildcard expansion (just not automatically, since it doesn't know what your real intentions are.)
FindFirstFile/FindNextFilejust work. And in the old times you had_dos_findfirstand_dos_findnext(did anyone remember that?) andINT 21h AX = 4Ehand4Fh(I cheated - I looked them up in Ralf Brown's interrupt list) :) I haven't used Unix in ages (at least 12 years), but I have been wanting to install a copy of Linux in a spare PC I have at my office,I just have not given myself the time. Oh well, I also want to install Vista and Office 12...Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
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I tried Ubuntu. And then I tried Debian. And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works. :)
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
How's it feel to be the man?yeah... debian with kde is my os of choice ... if only there were all the apps i needed available *sigh*
"there is no spoon"
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
why switch? I have Vista, several Linux flavors and BSD all running in Parallels VM. It lets me test without having to give up my host OS yet. Of course I could always run Linux and XP as a guest OS... but I am not quite ready for full Linux support on my work software. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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yeah... debian with kde is my os of choice ... if only there were all the apps i needed available *sigh*
"there is no spoon"
{some projects} {about me}l a u r e n wrote:
if only there were all the apps i needed available *sigh*
what apps do you need?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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l a u r e n wrote:
if only there were all the apps i needed available *sigh*
what apps do you need?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
reliable dvd ripping backup software ... vs.net ... video editing software ... games of course ... just stuff like that really
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I dunno. I thought apt-get was pretty darned slick. And I kinda wish I had iptables on Windows. And there's a few other things that are pretty nice. I like Gnome a lot. :)
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
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why switch? I have Vista, several Linux flavors and BSD all running in Parallels VM. It lets me test without having to give up my host OS yet. Of course I could always run Linux and XP as a guest OS... but I am not quite ready for full Linux support on my work software. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
i tried to run debian + kde inside of parallels and inside of vmware ... both were miserable failures so i went back to dual boot ... i was *so* looking forward to having them both running all the time :|
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reliable dvd ripping backup software ... vs.net ... video editing software ... games of course ... just stuff like that really
"there is no spoon"
{some projects} {about me}uhmm.... let's see.... DVD Ripper: dvd::rip http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=517[^] (there are probably versions/other applications for KDE too) VS.NET: Mainsoft Grasshopper http://dev.mainsoft.com/[^] (off an ad from CP :)) Video editing: http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=94[^] (also there must be applications for KDE) And for gaming try: http://www.transgaming.com/[^] anything else? ;) -- Nicola
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uhmm.... let's see.... DVD Ripper: dvd::rip http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=517[^] (there are probably versions/other applications for KDE too) VS.NET: Mainsoft Grasshopper http://dev.mainsoft.com/[^] (off an ad from CP :)) Video editing: http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=94[^] (also there must be applications for KDE) And for gaming try: http://www.transgaming.com/[^] anything else? ;) -- Nicola
ummmmm 1.dvdrip just doesnt do as good a job as dvdshrink and dvd-decrypt 2. grasshopper is for java ... im not into that 3. there is kino and a few others but again just not as good as premiere 4. again there are just issues using this stuff that go away when you use windows i love using linux and do so for my main system most of the time but when its either jump thru hoops to get something kinda working or just reboot into windows and it just works i'll reboot ... im not anti-windows ... i just prefer linux when it does as good a job thnx tho ;)
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Thie hie.. I've been Linux user for 7+ years.. I've tried many of them: Slackware, Debian, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, Vector, Ubuntu/Kubuntu.. And finally.. I've settled on Gentoo. If you're a developer you should see this: everything in the system build from source code with YOUR optimizations.. Port/ebuild system to quickly compile and install an app with FULL UNINSTALL/UPGRADE capabilities.. You've written an app? Have full autotools (or cmake or else) chain set up to create makefiles and build instructions? Create an ebuild for your app and quickly deploy it in the system, test and remove. You can even create an RPM from ebuild.
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell
It is in Unix-stylee shells, not in Windows (well, not by CMD, anyway!). I get my Unix kicks from OS X - Unix power, Macintosh pretties on top :-)
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Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell
It is in Unix-stylee shells, not in Windows (well, not by CMD, anyway!). I get my Unix kicks from OS X - Unix power, Macintosh pretties on top :-)
There is a flavor of unix utils ported to Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ You get things like shellutils (sh! wildcard expansion at your hand; throw away cmd :) ), bc, wget, gzip, findutils (ever used find . -iname foo -exec bar {} ';'?)
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Hockey wrote:
I highly suggest you all look into the coolness
Coolness? I thought you were talking about Linux... I use Linux all the time (most of our development at work is on Linux), and I have it installed at home and have to use it every couple of days, but I have yet to come across anything "cool" about it. It's a pain to use, mainly because to do anything slightly complex involves dropping to a command prompt and typing in an indeterminate number of very obfuscated commands. I use it because I have to, not because it's "cool".
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
which distro do you use? which version?
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I tried Ubuntu. And then I tried Debian. And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works. :)
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works.
Yeah, my web server (A Linux virtual machine/[^]) runs Debian. It "just works" up until I decide to reconfigure something, and manage to stomp over the wrong config and break it all :-S I keep putting off re-installing SpamAssassin, as email is working fine right now, and every time I try to change it I end up breaking something (usually only finding out a week later that my Mum hasn't been able to recieve emails) :sigh:
-- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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There is a flavor of unix utils ported to Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ You get things like shellutils (sh! wildcard expansion at your hand; throw away cmd :) ), bc, wget, gzip, findutils (ever used find . -iname foo -exec bar {} ';'?)