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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
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Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell
It is in Unix-stylee shells, not in Windows (well, not by CMD, anyway!). I get my Unix kicks from OS X - Unix power, Macintosh pretties on top :-)
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Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell
It is in Unix-stylee shells, not in Windows (well, not by CMD, anyway!). I get my Unix kicks from OS X - Unix power, Macintosh pretties on top :-)
There is a flavor of unix utils ported to Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ You get things like shellutils (sh! wildcard expansion at your hand; throw away cmd :) ), bc, wget, gzip, findutils (ever used find . -iname foo -exec bar {} ';'?)
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Hockey wrote:
I highly suggest you all look into the coolness
Coolness? I thought you were talking about Linux... I use Linux all the time (most of our development at work is on Linux), and I have it installed at home and have to use it every couple of days, but I have yet to come across anything "cool" about it. It's a pain to use, mainly because to do anything slightly complex involves dropping to a command prompt and typing in an indeterminate number of very obfuscated commands. I use it because I have to, not because it's "cool".
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
which distro do you use? which version?
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I tried Ubuntu. And then I tried Debian. And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works. :)
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How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
And Debian is waaaay cooler than Ubuntu. And it too just works.
Yeah, my web server (A Linux virtual machine/[^]) runs Debian. It "just works" up until I decide to reconfigure something, and manage to stomp over the wrong config and break it all :-S I keep putting off re-installing SpamAssassin, as email is working fine right now, and every time I try to change it I end up breaking something (usually only finding out a week later that my Mum hasn't been able to recieve emails) :sigh:
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There is a flavor of unix utils ported to Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ You get things like shellutils (sh! wildcard expansion at your hand; throw away cmd :) ), bc, wget, gzip, findutils (ever used find . -iname foo -exec bar {} ';'?)
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which distro do you use? which version?
avsrivastava wrote:
which distro do you use? which version?
At work we use RedHat 7 and 9, and Ubuntu 6.06. At home I have Fedora Core 4, and have run Debian (can't remember which version) in the past.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Tried it years ago. Got bored with the anti-whatever nonsense, the elitism of some of the community and, (this was killer for me at the time) the lack of high quality first run games. Not to say that there wern't some games, but there wasn't much depth to the selection.
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I try to try it once every year or so. Unfortunately, I currenly have a system that absolutely refuses to let me install linux on it. That's honestly the first time I've had that experience.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Try ubuntu (it comes with a live cd as well), and the first time you install it you will be surprised(atleast I was) of how it just works. I mean right out of the box installation is good enough. Gone are the days when linux was only for geeks and mircosoft haters. I though fall in the intersection of these two sets ;P.
Yep, Ubuntu with Gnome. It's frustrating knowing vast amounts about Windows and next to nothing with Linux. But some of these new distros make it much easier to get into it. For us novices, Gnome is the way to go. KDE looks kewl, but it's a bit more complicated. The drive for me is development and games, and I'm not a C++ programmer. I'll be happy when C# is more main-stream on Linux. I've tried several versions of SharpDev's Linux product with no luck. The IDE always dies on me before I can do anything.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
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There is a flavor of unix utils ported to Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ You get things like shellutils (sh! wildcard expansion at your hand; throw away cmd :) ), bc, wget, gzip, findutils (ever used find . -iname foo -exec bar {} ';'?)
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For ever now I've wanted to switch, if not fully at least partially. I installed RH and played with it...I must say...*nix is damn cool but quite differnt from windows or DOS... I've learned a few interesting things about OS'es...for instance...I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...I always thought it was the programs responsibility to expand wildcards at the CLI...perhaps I've seen windows programs in the past which did this...I dunno where I got that from, but that is what I assumed... It's neat having that done by the shell... Linux is such an interesting approach to modularity...because everything is source code...you can pretty much just compile what you want and have a lean mean monolithic executable machine... :P RedHat has a feature called RPM...which is like an idea I had years ago...where I used the diff between two files to basically patch an existing application instead of having to download and re-install the whole thing... Needless to say, RPM does a much better job, I believe it catalogs everything so rollbacks are possible...which as a developer we all know is totally kick bum :) Yep I'm having a blast experimeting with RH and Knoppix...such a pleasure to have such fine grained control over everything...as i'm a hardcore power user even on windows always looking to tweak and customize everything, but severely limited in scope on Windows, unlimited on *nix :) Such a different approach, so it's confusing at times...and I find the culture of linux developers much differnt than that of Windows programmers, like found here :P It's almost interesting :) I highly suggest you all look into the coolness Cheers
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
Hockey wrote:
I had no clue wildcard expansion was done by the shell...
Hockey wrote:
It's neat having that done by the shell...
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I try to try it once every year or so. Unfortunately, I currenly have a system that absolutely refuses to let me install linux on it. That's honestly the first time I've had that experience.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I currenly have a system that absolutely refuses to let me install linux on it
Care to share with us what system you have?
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Tried it years ago. Got bored with the anti-whatever nonsense, the elitism of some of the community and, (this was killer for me at the time) the lack of high quality first run games. Not to say that there wern't some games, but there wasn't much depth to the selection.
Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
well you got me with the games part....you surely need Windows for that, but as a non-gamer...Linux is a dream come true... Haven't experienced any of the elitism you speak of yet, and I just don't listen to the anti-B$ I know Linux isn't going to replace microsoft any time soon, globally atleast...but in my case I think I've just made a new friend :P
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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I try to try it once every year or so. Unfortunately, I currenly have a system that absolutely refuses to let me install linux on it. That's honestly the first time I've had that experience.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I'm not a *nux guru by any means...but... Unless your on bleeding edge hardware, Linux probably supports your system better than Windows does... I've successfully installed *nix on both a 166Mhz desktop I haven't ran in probably 10 years...as well as my desktop development machine and my new laptop... Try Knoppix it doesn't actually install itself on your machine, does automatic hawre detection but still allows you moderate control of the boot cycle. I would be surprised and interested in hearing how a knoppix setup went for you, both if good or bad...something worth disscussing on Linux boards for sure. Cheers :)
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
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Try ubuntu (it comes with a live cd as well), and the first time you install it you will be surprised(atleast I was) of how it just works. I mean right out of the box installation is good enough. Gone are the days when linux was only for geeks and mircosoft haters. I though fall in the intersection of these two sets ;P.
I'm slowly starting to hate M$...everything they do is annoying me now...way to much control...both business and development. I like tweaking...and you can't do it like you do on Linux :P I've heard good things about Ubuntu, one day I'll check it out
It's frustrating being a genius and living the life of a moron!!!
