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    Alvaro Mendez
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    Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


    If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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    • A Alvaro Mendez

      Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


      If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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      Rob Graham
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      A one for more partisan trolling. X|

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        Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


        If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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        Diego Moita
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        ... the friends and alies of Chavez are doing the traditional big corruption: Venezuela is crushing civil liberties, Brazil is about to reelect a mob of thieves to the federal government, Bolivia is stealing gas refineries from Brazil, Argentina is skyrocketing the public debt,... The lesson: if you can't produce sound policies, produce strong sounding declarations.

        Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

        Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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          ... the friends and alies of Chavez are doing the traditional big corruption: Venezuela is crushing civil liberties, Brazil is about to reelect a mob of thieves to the federal government, Bolivia is stealing gas refineries from Brazil, Argentina is skyrocketing the public debt,... The lesson: if you can't produce sound policies, produce strong sounding declarations.

          Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

          Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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          Allah On Acid
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          Have you read This[^], written by someone in Argentina? I saw that linked from a gun forum, and it sounds like things are pretty bad there.

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            Have you read This[^], written by someone in Argentina? I saw that linked from a gun forum, and it sounds like things are pretty bad there.

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            Diego Moita
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            It's not that bad by now. The economy improved a lot since last year. In the beggining of 20th century Argentina had one of the highest standards of living in the world, better than most of Europe and better than any other country in the southern hemisphere. They still have a very good level of education even today. But they've been downhill since after WWII. They're recovering from the big breakdown in 2002, but are still far from their days of glory.

            Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

            Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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            • A Alvaro Mendez

              Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


              If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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              Red Stateler
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              So you're not completely let down... http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=020BFC5A-FA7D-42CC-9BA6A4ED9DA063B8[^]


              "You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).

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                ... the friends and alies of Chavez are doing the traditional big corruption: Venezuela is crushing civil liberties, Brazil is about to reelect a mob of thieves to the federal government, Bolivia is stealing gas refineries from Brazil, Argentina is skyrocketing the public debt,... The lesson: if you can't produce sound policies, produce strong sounding declarations.

                Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

                Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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                Vivi Chellappa
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                Diego Moita wrote:

                Argentina is skyrocketing the public debt,...

                Don't you mean "the US is skyrocketing public debt"? ;P

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                  Diego Moita wrote:

                  Argentina is skyrocketing the public debt,...

                  Don't you mean "the US is skyrocketing public debt"? ;P

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                  Rob Graham
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                  As a percentage of GDP, Argentina has us beat...

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                    Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


                    If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                    Stan Shannon
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                    Its the result of internal polling by the dems. The public was reacting very negatively to Chavez so the dems came out to counter it. It won't be enough though, the damage has been done. It is chrystal clear who the dems are associated with politically and intellectually.

                    Thank God for disproportional force.

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                    • A Alvaro Mendez

                      Leading Bush critic at home calls Chavez a "thug"[^] Could it be that Stan was wrong about Hugo and his close ties to the Democratic party? Nah... this must be another scheme from "the left". :rolleyes: Alvaro


                      If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                      Red Stateler
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                      What I don't get is...For all the Democrats' effort to expand constitutional protections to the most lurid of foreigners, why are they now saying that Chavez does not have 1st amendment protections?


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                        A one for more partisan trolling. X|

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                        Alvaro Mendez
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                        Rob Graham wrote:

                        A one for more partisan trolling.

                        Fine, as long as you vote the same for all the other partisan trollers on this board. Hopefully you didn't miss the opportunity to vote down those posts where Chavez is framed as a spokesman for the Democratic party. Or did you find those to be appropriate?


                        If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                          Rob Graham wrote:

                          A one for more partisan trolling.

                          Fine, as long as you vote the same for all the other partisan trollers on this board. Hopefully you didn't miss the opportunity to vote down those posts where Chavez is framed as a spokesman for the Democratic party. Or did you find those to be appropriate?


                          If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                          Red Stateler
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                          Alvaro Mendez wrote:

                          Hopefully you didn't miss the opportunity to vote down those posts where Chavez is framed as a spokesman for the Democratic party.

                          Ironically, the Democratic leadership admitted that Chavez's comments were inline with theirs...But he didn't have the right to express them since he's not an American.


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                            Alvaro Mendez wrote:

                            Hopefully you didn't miss the opportunity to vote down those posts where Chavez is framed as a spokesman for the Democratic party.

                            Ironically, the Democratic leadership admitted that Chavez's comments were inline with theirs...But he didn't have the right to express them since he's not an American.


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                            Full of it as usual, espeir. Pelosi[^]

                            No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                              So you're not completely let down... http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=020BFC5A-FA7D-42CC-9BA6A4ED9DA063B8[^]


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                              Alvaro Mendez
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                              Is Darwin Danielson your real name? The title says: Harkin defends Venezuelan President's U-N speech against Bush. But there's nothing in the article that proves conclusively that he's defending Chavez. Alvaro


                              If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                                Is Darwin Danielson your real name? The title says: Harkin defends Venezuelan President's U-N speech against Bush. But there's nothing in the article that proves conclusively that he's defending Chavez. Alvaro


                                If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                                Harkin said the comments were "incendiary", then went on to say, "Let me put
                                it this way, I can understand the frustration, ah, and the anger of certain
                                people around the world because of George Bush's policies.
                                "

                                That's a defense of Chavez. It dismisses his remarks as vented frustration.


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                                  Harkin said the comments were "incendiary", then went on to say, "Let me put
                                  it this way, I can understand the frustration, ah, and the anger of certain
                                  people around the world because of George Bush's policies.
                                  "

                                  That's a defense of Chavez. It dismisses his remarks as vented frustration.


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                                  Alvaro Mendez
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                                  Red Stateler wrote:

                                  That's a defense of Chavez. It dismisses his remarks as vented frustration.

                                  I disagree. It's just a rationalization, like saying, "I can understand why the woman shot her abusive husband".


                                  If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                                    Full of it as usual, espeir. Pelosi[^]

                                    No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                                    Full of it as usual, dennisd45. Rangel[^]

                                    "You don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional
                                    district, and you don't condemn my president. If there's any criticism of
                                    President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans - whether we voted for him
                                    or not," Rangel said.


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                                      Red Stateler wrote:

                                      That's a defense of Chavez. It dismisses his remarks as vented frustration.

                                      I disagree. It's just a rationalization, like saying, "I can understand why the woman shot her abusive husband".


                                      If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas

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                                      Red Stateler
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                                      Rationalization is defense. It's intent is to come up with a valid and excusable reason for an act.


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                                        Full of it as usual, dennisd45. Rangel[^]

                                        "You don't come into my country, you don't come into my congressional
                                        district, and you don't condemn my president. If there's any criticism of
                                        President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans - whether we voted for him
                                        or not," Rangel said.


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                                        dennisd45
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                                        You really are full of it. How is the selected quote or any other part of your linked article a defense of Chavez?

                                        No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                                          You really are full of it. How is the selected quote or any other part of your linked article a defense of Chavez?

                                          No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison

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                                          Red Stateler
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                                          dennisd45 wrote:

                                          You really are full of it. How is the selected quote or any other part of your linked article a defense of Chavez?

                                          ummmm...Let's rewind a couple of posts. I think you're lost:

                                          RedStateler wrote:

                                          Ironically, the Democratic leadership admitted that Chavez's comments were inline with theirs...But he didn't have the right to express them since he's not an American.

                                          As in Rangler said that only Americans (specifically him, since he once called Bush a "Bull Connor") have the right to use that kind of vitriolic rhetoric against the president. That's incongruous with their platform of extending constitutional rights to terrorists in Guantanamo Bay.


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