Was Chernobyl bad for the environment
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Apart from the human cost, was Chernobyl bad for the environment? From what I understand the ecology in and around the town is in a better state now than before the accident.
Well, almost everyone moved away, the area is deindustrialized now, and fish and mushroom are really big.
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mmm There's a lot their about how badly contaminated plants and animals are, but does this adversely affect the ecology of the area? If so, why? You'd alsa have to balance the effects with the fact theat their aren't people around any more. I wonder if the other things that people were doing was causing more dammage to the eco system.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
does this adversely affect the ecology of the area?
Taken from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, ecol-o-gy \ i-'klj\ n. pl. -gies [G kologie, fr. k-ec- + -logie -logy] (1858) 1. A branch of science concerned with the interrelationship of organisms and their environments. 2. The totality or pattern of relations between organisms and their environment. 3. HUMAN ECOLOGY. And from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology[^] "Ecology, or ecological science, is the scientific study of the distribution and abundance of living organisms and how the distribution and abundance are affected by interactions between the organisms and their environment" I wouldn't want my worst enemy (not that I have any) to suffer as the animal and vegetation life forms have, and I'm not jusy limiting that observation to mere mortal human beings. Not just talking about today, also talking about the future. With mutations in DNA caused by massive radiation to all life forms. You tell me Giles if this is the kind of "hell" that you want your children and your children's children to inherit? During the Soviet era, there was great industrial pollution but to ask if that was better or worse than Chenobyl, frankly, I don't know, but their effects will be measured in hundreds of years.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
does this adversely affect the ecology of the area?
Taken from Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, ecol-o-gy \ i-'klj\ n. pl. -gies [G kologie, fr. k-ec- + -logie -logy] (1858) 1. A branch of science concerned with the interrelationship of organisms and their environments. 2. The totality or pattern of relations between organisms and their environment. 3. HUMAN ECOLOGY. And from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecology[^] "Ecology, or ecological science, is the scientific study of the distribution and abundance of living organisms and how the distribution and abundance are affected by interactions between the organisms and their environment" I wouldn't want my worst enemy (not that I have any) to suffer as the animal and vegetation life forms have, and I'm not jusy limiting that observation to mere mortal human beings. Not just talking about today, also talking about the future. With mutations in DNA caused by massive radiation to all life forms. You tell me Giles if this is the kind of "hell" that you want your children and your children's children to inherit? During the Soviet era, there was great industrial pollution but to ask if that was better or worse than Chenobyl, frankly, I don't know, but their effects will be measured in hundreds of years.
No need to get overly emotional Richard. I just posted a question as I thought it might be interesting to discuss something other than Muslims for a change. Why are mutations in DNA bad for all life forms? What sort of hell do you want for your children and grand children? "The totality or pattern of relations between organisms and their environment." - That's what I was getting at - the totality, not just looking at it from the human perspective. Maybe considering the eco system as a whole, the accident could be viewed as a good thing. I completely accept that from our perspective it's a disaster.
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No need to get overly emotional Richard. I just posted a question as I thought it might be interesting to discuss something other than Muslims for a change. Why are mutations in DNA bad for all life forms? What sort of hell do you want for your children and grand children? "The totality or pattern of relations between organisms and their environment." - That's what I was getting at - the totality, not just looking at it from the human perspective. Maybe considering the eco system as a whole, the accident could be viewed as a good thing. I completely accept that from our perspective it's a disaster.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
No need to get overly emotional Richard
No emotions, just the need to put the record straight.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
discuss something other than Muslims for a change
This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Why are mutations in DNA bad for all life forms
for instance read this abstract http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/237/abstract[^] then read some more from (1) http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcgenomics[^] (2) http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/239/abstract[^] and a thousand other scientific research arcticles available from http://www.biomedcentral.com/[^]
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
What sort of hell do you want for your children and grand children
No Hell, just a better quality of life in all its respects than that which was experienced by myself
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
No need to get overly emotional Richard
No emotions, just the need to put the record straight.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
discuss something other than Muslims for a change
This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Why are mutations in DNA bad for all life forms
for instance read this abstract http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/237/abstract[^] then read some more from (1) http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcgenomics[^] (2) http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/239/abstract[^] and a thousand other scientific research arcticles available from http://www.biomedcentral.com/[^]
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
What sort of hell do you want for your children and grand children
No Hell, just a better quality of life in all its respects than that which was experienced by myself
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims
What about leftists?
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
No need to get overly emotional Richard
No emotions, just the need to put the record straight.
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
discuss something other than Muslims for a change
This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Why are mutations in DNA bad for all life forms
for instance read this abstract http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/237/abstract[^] then read some more from (1) http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcgenomics[^] (2) http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/7/239/abstract[^] and a thousand other scientific research arcticles available from http://www.biomedcentral.com/[^]
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
What sort of hell do you want for your children and grand children
No Hell, just a better quality of life in all its respects than that which was experienced by myself
can't you speak for yourself rather than posting links to scientific journals? Is their evidence of massive DNA mutations in the wildlife around chernobyl?
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can't you speak for yourself rather than posting links to scientific journals? Is their evidence of massive DNA mutations in the wildlife around chernobyl?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims
What about leftists?
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
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Don't you like reading scientific journals. They can be fascinating. And if you want facts rather than gossip and assumptions and inuendo's, then use such freely available academic research. If you want the latter, then read "The Sun" newspaper.
I like reading scientific journals, I don't read the Sun, I also like discussing things with people who have their own ideas and don't just tell me to go away and read a journal.
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Don't you like reading scientific journals. They can be fascinating. And if you want facts rather than gossip and assumptions and inuendo's, then use such freely available academic research. If you want the latter, then read "The Sun" newspaper.
Incidently neither of your references address the subject of the effect of the nuclear accident on the ecology, do you have any that do?
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That seems likely, given the international attention on the area. The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?
What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.
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Incidently neither of your references address the subject of the effect of the nuclear accident on the ecology, do you have any that do?
Giles, I am more than happy to discuss the issue over a pint. When do you anticipate visiting Norfolk's east coast next? A pint awaits you. My local does a rather nice Real Ale. http://www.icsu-scope.org/downloadpubs/scope50/chapter02.html[^] this may be a resource you might find interesting
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You are joking right? There are farms in England that are still unable to sell their cattle and sheep because since the cloud from the big C passed over. Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption. Not to mention the continuely escalating growth of cancers in the surrounding area
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Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption.
You can't site a nuclear reactor in places like Aberdeen because the natural background radiation of the city is too high in comparison with the maximum permited radiation in the vicinity of a nuclear power station. In otherwords, if a nuclear power station was built in Aberdeen and there was a leak then no one would know.
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Giles, I am more than happy to discuss the issue over a pint. When do you anticipate visiting Norfolk's east coast next? A pint awaits you. My local does a rather nice Real Ale. http://www.icsu-scope.org/downloadpubs/scope50/chapter02.html[^] this may be a resource you might find interesting
I'll look you up if ever I get over there. I'm more of a west coast man myself, better waves!
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I'll look you up if ever I get over there. I'm more of a west coast man myself, better waves!
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Yes.
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Yes.
This looks like an intersting site on the subject: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html[^]
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Giles, you do ask stupid questions. Look here and all of its sub-pages. http://www.chernobyl.info/[^]
However, the creation of the exclusion zone led to an area preserved of human degradations: quoting Wikipedia, "many species of wild animals and birds, which were never seen in the area prior to the disaster, are now plentiful, due to the absence of humans in the area" (cf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4923342.stm[^]). So some animals take benefit from the catastrophe... Even :badger:!
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Apart from the human cost, was Chernobyl bad for the environment? From what I understand the ecology in and around the town is in a better state now than before the accident.
Karl alludes to it, but I think the single biggest factor in the apparently healthy ecology of the area is a result of the complete absense of human beings there. From what I've read, the initial impact of the fallout was catastrophic, causing huge amounts of death and sterility in the local animal populations. However, nature appears to recover from such disasters quite readily. Rutheless efficiency can be had when you have nature's maxim: "The sick and weak are plowed under to benefit the healthy and strong". I'd be interested in seeing if the local animal populations exhibit far greater resitence to cancers and other diseases typically inflicted by radiation overdoses.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?
What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.
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Michael Martin wrote:
What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.
Hey, don't diss Yeltsin. Just imagine the tips you would have made if he had been a regular customer at your bar! :-D