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  • G gidius Ahenobarbus

    can't you speak for yourself rather than posting links to scientific journals? Is their evidence of massive DNA mutations in the wildlife around chernobyl?

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    Lost User
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    Don't you like reading scientific journals. They can be fascinating. And if you want facts rather than gossip and assumptions and inuendo's, then use such freely available academic research. If you want the latter, then read "The Sun" newspaper.

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      This subject has been done to death but Espeir will always find something new to talk about Muslims

      What about leftists?


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      Them as well :sigh:

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        Don't you like reading scientific journals. They can be fascinating. And if you want facts rather than gossip and assumptions and inuendo's, then use such freely available academic research. If you want the latter, then read "The Sun" newspaper.

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        gidius Ahenobarbus
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        I like reading scientific journals, I don't read the Sun, I also like discussing things with people who have their own ideas and don't just tell me to go away and read a journal.

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          Don't you like reading scientific journals. They can be fascinating. And if you want facts rather than gossip and assumptions and inuendo's, then use such freely available academic research. If you want the latter, then read "The Sun" newspaper.

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          gidius Ahenobarbus
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          Incidently neither of your references address the subject of the effect of the nuclear accident on the ecology, do you have any that do?

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            That seems likely, given the international attention on the area. The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?

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            Christian Graus wrote:

            The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?

            What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.

            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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            • G gidius Ahenobarbus

              Incidently neither of your references address the subject of the effect of the nuclear accident on the ecology, do you have any that do?

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              Giles, I am more than happy to discuss the issue over a pint. When do you anticipate visiting Norfolk's east coast next? A pint awaits you. My local does a rather nice Real Ale. http://www.icsu-scope.org/downloadpubs/scope50/chapter02.html[^] this may be a resource you might find interesting

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                You are joking right? There are farms in England that are still unable to sell their cattle and sheep because since the cloud from the big C passed over. Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption. Not to mention the continuely escalating growth of cancers in the surrounding area

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                Colin Angus Mackay
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                pseudonym67 wrote:

                Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption.

                You can't site a nuclear reactor in places like Aberdeen because the natural background radiation of the city is too high in comparison with the maximum permited radiation in the vicinity of a nuclear power station. In otherwords, if a nuclear power station was built in Aberdeen and there was a leak then no one would know.


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                  Giles, I am more than happy to discuss the issue over a pint. When do you anticipate visiting Norfolk's east coast next? A pint awaits you. My local does a rather nice Real Ale. http://www.icsu-scope.org/downloadpubs/scope50/chapter02.html[^] this may be a resource you might find interesting

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                  gidius Ahenobarbus
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                  I'll look you up if ever I get over there. I'm more of a west coast man myself, better waves!

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                  • G gidius Ahenobarbus

                    I'll look you up if ever I get over there. I'm more of a west coast man myself, better waves!

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                    For surfing ?

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                      For surfing ?

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                      gidius Ahenobarbus
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                      Yes.

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                      • G gidius Ahenobarbus

                        Yes.

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                        gidius Ahenobarbus
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                        This looks like an intersting site on the subject: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html[^]

                        Farmer Giles was fat and enjoyed a slow, comfortable life. Then one day a giant blundered on to his land. Farmer Giles managed to scare him away and instantly became a hero. So it was natural that when the dragon Chrysophylax visited the area, it was Farmer Giles who was to do battle with it.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Giles, you do ask stupid questions. Look here and all of its sub-pages. http://www.chernobyl.info/[^]

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                          However, the creation of the exclusion zone led to an area preserved of human degradations: quoting Wikipedia, "many species of wild animals and birds, which were never seen in the area prior to the disaster, are now plentiful, due to the absence of humans in the area" (cf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4923342.stm[^]). So some animals take benefit from the catastrophe... Even :badger:!


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                          • G gidius Ahenobarbus

                            Apart from the human cost, was Chernobyl bad for the environment? From what I understand the ecology in and around the town is in a better state now than before the accident.

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                            Russell Morris
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                            Karl alludes to it, but I think the single biggest factor in the apparently healthy ecology of the area is a result of the complete absense of human beings there. From what I've read, the initial impact of the fallout was catastrophic, causing huge amounts of death and sterility in the local animal populations. However, nature appears to recover from such disasters quite readily. Rutheless efficiency can be had when you have nature's maxim: "The sick and weak are plowed under to benefit the healthy and strong". I'd be interested in seeing if the local animal populations exhibit far greater resitence to cancers and other diseases typically inflicted by radiation overdoses.

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              The question is - what did it cost to make this the case, and how could that money have been spent elsewhere by Russia if Chernobyl had not happened ?

                              What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.

                              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                              Vivi Chellappa
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                              Michael Martin wrote:

                              What? Like paying off their international vodka deficit, created by that alcoholoc president they had.

                              Hey, don't diss Yeltsin. Just imagine the tips you would have made if he had been a regular customer at your bar! :-D

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                              • C Colin Angus Mackay

                                pseudonym67 wrote:

                                Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption.

                                You can't site a nuclear reactor in places like Aberdeen because the natural background radiation of the city is too high in comparison with the maximum permited radiation in the vicinity of a nuclear power station. In otherwords, if a nuclear power station was built in Aberdeen and there was a leak then no one would know.


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                                Vivi Chellappa
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                                Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                                In otherwords, if a nuclear power station was built in Aberdeen and there was a leak then no one would know.

                                Could you lease Aberdeen to India as a site for nuclear power station? According to some flakes, India has the best nuclear technology in the world!

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                                • P pseudonym67

                                  You are joking right? There are farms in England that are still unable to sell their cattle and sheep because since the cloud from the big C passed over. Anything that grows on certain hills contains too much radioactivity to be fit for human consumption. Not to mention the continuely escalating growth of cancers in the surrounding area

                                  pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Beginning KDevelop Programming[^]

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                                  Corinna John
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                                  Did you understand the question? We are not talking about human's problems.

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                                    Did you understand the question? We are not talking about human's problems.

                                    ____________________________________ There is no proof for this sentence.

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                                    pseudonym67
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                                    I refer you to the answer below. http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?forumid=2605&select=1683478&df=100&fr=589.5#xx1683478xx[^] Must be a nice way to live your life seperating out the bits you don't like and ignoring them.

                                    pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Beginning KDevelop Programming[^]

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