Won't RTFM!
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Thanks! Good Suggesion. Now that I think about it, I might can talk my boss into moving him to a couple of useful "tools" that don't affect development directly and that he has to talk to someone about, there are no manuals for what needs to be done. :) Hmmm... You got me thinking , Thanks! Joe Q
Yes, this is really a management problem but you don't necessarily have to be someone's official manager to get results. People often don't have enough self-discipline to do things the right way and need a bit of guidance. I think of it as being like a mouse running around freely in a large open space. Giving it direct instructions on where to go won't work but if you drop a few barriers in strategic places and the odd bit of cheese to encourage it, you can get it to go where you want :laugh:
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First, for some reason I can't reply directly to Trollslayer. 2nd, I've thought about a 2x4 up-side (translation: on the side of) the head but that get's into the violence in the work place issues. But I've thought about that.
Joe Q wrote:
2nd, I've thought about a 2x4 up-side (translation: on the side of) the head but that get's into the violence in the work place issues. But I've thought about that.
You can't think, you just act, you will feel much better, trust me. If the boss or higher management have problems, introduce them to the 4 be 2. If that doesn't work I find introducing my forehead (that's foh-red, not 4 head again Yanks) to their nose has the desired effect.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Yes, this is really a management problem but you don't necessarily have to be someone's official manager to get results. People often don't have enough self-discipline to do things the right way and need a bit of guidance. I think of it as being like a mouse running around freely in a large open space. Giving it direct instructions on where to go won't work but if you drop a few barriers in strategic places and the odd bit of cheese to encourage it, you can get it to go where you want :laugh:
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
Yes, this is really a management problem but you don't necessarily have to be someone's official manager to get results.
it is very much a management problem...but that's the problem. To many people like this guy who don't really know all the options/consequences get promoted to get them out of the way.
Taka Muraoka wrote:
I think of it as being like a mouse running around freely in a large open space
Maybe I could use a mouse trap! :laugh:
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Joe Q wrote:
2nd, I've thought about a 2x4 up-side (translation: on the side of) the head but that get's into the violence in the work place issues. But I've thought about that.
You can't think, you just act, you will feel much better, trust me. If the boss or higher management have problems, introduce them to the 4 be 2. If that doesn't work I find introducing my forehead (that's foh-red, not 4 head again Yanks) to their nose has the desired effect.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
Yes, this is really a management problem but you don't necessarily have to be someone's official manager to get results.
it is very much a management problem...but that's the problem. To many people like this guy who don't really know all the options/consequences get promoted to get them out of the way.
Taka Muraoka wrote:
I think of it as being like a mouse running around freely in a large open space
Maybe I could use a mouse trap! :laugh:
Joe Q wrote:
To many people like this guy who don't really know all the options/consequences get promoted to get them out of the way.
Shuffling someone sideways is one thing but a company who promotes an incompetent to get them out of the way deserves everything they get. I know (believe me, I know :(() working with people like this is intensely annoying but it is actually possible to get some value out of them. The key thing is to first stop them from having a negative impact. Then you can usually find some way for them to make a positive contribution (no matter how small it may be :rolleyes:).
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Isolate him. It's the same as protecting yourself from a rogue process, you have it run a sandbox. So (if you can), you put him on projects where he can't do any damage. I used to work with someone like that (my boss, actually :rolleyes:). He tended to wreak havoc wherever he went so I just made sure he worked on mostly useless stuff that wasn't really important. The funny thing was, he was too dumb to realize what was happening :laugh:
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Like this?[^] (work safe @ walmart.com) :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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I'm fed up, what do I do? I'm working with a guy who won't RTFM!! I worked with him on another project and he will just start coding with no good knowledge of the device he's trying to write code for. When I ask him what the instrument does he says "I heard it will..." or "I think it will...". Many times I point out it doesn't work like he thinks, so he asks "how does it work?" I tell him to READ THE MANUAL (I leave out the F******). He comes back with he doesn't have time. :mad: In the end, other's (mainly me) has to fix his stuff. I complain to the boss who should be checking up on him and the boss says that we're short on head count so we need him. :mad: :mad: Actually, what's worse is when he doesn't RTFM and then "helps" others by fixing their code to operate the way he thinks it should work, WRONG! :mad: :mad: :mad: (BTW, he doesn't fix my code for me...any more) It takes longer to fix his screw ups than it takes him to screw up. He can screw things up pretty fast. (How many screw ups can a screw up screw up when he's really screwed up? :laugh:) Any Suggestions on what can be done?:confused: Joe Q
Have you tried NOT fixing his stuff anymore? Sooner or later someone should notice that the fit is in the shan and perhaps the "management" there will get a clue....but if others keep covering up for this person, then it is obvious that "management" will think (sad but most likely about you) "well that guy whines a lot, but it all seems to work" .... forgive me, but I must ask: is there is a classic bunglehead and bunglehead-enabler situation at play here?
Just trying to keep the forces of entropy at bay
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Like this?[^] (work safe @ walmart.com) :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
Mate, the amount of damage and havoc this guy could create, he'd need something a little bigger[^] :laugh::rolleyes:
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Joe Q wrote:
Maybe I could say "it slipped!"
Works for me.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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I'm fed up, what do I do? I'm working with a guy who won't RTFM!! I worked with him on another project and he will just start coding with no good knowledge of the device he's trying to write code for. When I ask him what the instrument does he says "I heard it will..." or "I think it will...". Many times I point out it doesn't work like he thinks, so he asks "how does it work?" I tell him to READ THE MANUAL (I leave out the F******). He comes back with he doesn't have time. :mad: In the end, other's (mainly me) has to fix his stuff. I complain to the boss who should be checking up on him and the boss says that we're short on head count so we need him. :mad: :mad: Actually, what's worse is when he doesn't RTFM and then "helps" others by fixing their code to operate the way he thinks it should work, WRONG! :mad: :mad: :mad: (BTW, he doesn't fix my code for me...any more) It takes longer to fix his screw ups than it takes him to screw up. He can screw things up pretty fast. (How many screw ups can a screw up screw up when he's really screwed up? :laugh:) Any Suggestions on what can be done?:confused: Joe Q
So he's writing code for a device for which he doesn't how it works? I think I've bought most of my gadgets from you guys...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Have you tried NOT fixing his stuff anymore? Sooner or later someone should notice that the fit is in the shan and perhaps the "management" there will get a clue....but if others keep covering up for this person, then it is obvious that "management" will think (sad but most likely about you) "well that guy whines a lot, but it all seems to work" .... forgive me, but I must ask: is there is a classic bunglehead and bunglehead-enabler situation at play here?
Just trying to keep the forces of entropy at bay
We weren't fixing his code on our own. The boss would always ask someone to help him. (usually me since I had my stuff working pretty quick) At first I would try to explain to him what needed to be done and why. He would screw it up. As our deadline was coming closer that was just to slow so I started helping him by fixing it. I would tell the boss (verbally and in a written status report) I'm fixing his code for him but the boss just wanted to meet the deadline and never understood why we were behind. Of course this boss had 2 projects fail under him. So his boss didn't do anything about that, either, he's still boss.
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I'm fed up, what do I do? I'm working with a guy who won't RTFM!! I worked with him on another project and he will just start coding with no good knowledge of the device he's trying to write code for. When I ask him what the instrument does he says "I heard it will..." or "I think it will...". Many times I point out it doesn't work like he thinks, so he asks "how does it work?" I tell him to READ THE MANUAL (I leave out the F******). He comes back with he doesn't have time. :mad: In the end, other's (mainly me) has to fix his stuff. I complain to the boss who should be checking up on him and the boss says that we're short on head count so we need him. :mad: :mad: Actually, what's worse is when he doesn't RTFM and then "helps" others by fixing their code to operate the way he thinks it should work, WRONG! :mad: :mad: :mad: (BTW, he doesn't fix my code for me...any more) It takes longer to fix his screw ups than it takes him to screw up. He can screw things up pretty fast. (How many screw ups can a screw up screw up when he's really screwed up? :laugh:) Any Suggestions on what can be done?:confused: Joe Q
Do you work for Sony?
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELL -
Two dozen times? :-D
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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So he's writing code for a device for which he doesn't how it works? I think I've bought most of my gadgets from you guys...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
He vaguely knows. He knows what it's suppose to do. Like a communications card, he knows it sends and receives and has to be set up. He didn't understand the he had to use the same baud rate as what he was communicating with. On an OScope, he knows he has to read a trace, but doesn't know he has to tell the scope where to get the trace, how many bit accuracy, what format the information is in, etc.
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Joe Q wrote:
To many people like this guy who don't really know all the options/consequences get promoted to get them out of the way.
Shuffling someone sideways is one thing but a company who promotes an incompetent to get them out of the way deserves everything they get. I know (believe me, I know :(() working with people like this is intensely annoying but it is actually possible to get some value out of them. The key thing is to first stop them from having a negative impact. Then you can usually find some way for them to make a positive contribution (no matter how small it may be :rolleyes:).
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
Shuffling someone sideways is one thing but a company who promotes an incompetent to get them out of the way deserves everything they get.
Unfortunantly, this happens way to much at the company I work at.
Taka Muraoka wrote:
I know (believe me, I know ) working with people like this is intensely annoying but it is actually possible to get some value out of them. The key thing is to first stop them from having a negative impact. Then you can usually find some way for them to make a positive contribution (no matter how small it may be ).
To get them to stop having a negative impact is one thing. To help them to make a positive contribution is very hard.
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Don't be dragged down by fixing his mistakes (unless your boss asks you to of course). As long as the boss won't do anything you can't win. Elaine :rose:
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I've looked into it, this company has a "no violence in the workplace" policy and while it would be justified, it just might be considerded "violent".:-D
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I'm fed up, what do I do? I'm working with a guy who won't RTFM!! I worked with him on another project and he will just start coding with no good knowledge of the device he's trying to write code for. When I ask him what the instrument does he says "I heard it will..." or "I think it will...". Many times I point out it doesn't work like he thinks, so he asks "how does it work?" I tell him to READ THE MANUAL (I leave out the F******). He comes back with he doesn't have time. :mad: In the end, other's (mainly me) has to fix his stuff. I complain to the boss who should be checking up on him and the boss says that we're short on head count so we need him. :mad: :mad: Actually, what's worse is when he doesn't RTFM and then "helps" others by fixing their code to operate the way he thinks it should work, WRONG! :mad: :mad: :mad: (BTW, he doesn't fix my code for me...any more) It takes longer to fix his screw ups than it takes him to screw up. He can screw things up pretty fast. (How many screw ups can a screw up screw up when he's really screwed up? :laugh:) Any Suggestions on what can be done?:confused: Joe Q
