Atheist terrorism?
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They all did it in the name of... lack of believe in a deity
LOL. No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect. Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They all did it in the name of... lack of believe in a deity
LOL. No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect. Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
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You know, thats a damn good point. I demand an investigation into the religion, or lack there of, of these terrorists. If we are under attack from secular-progressive extremists I think we need to be aware of it!
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ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Doesn't that sound more plausible?
Yes, but it doesn't fit their pre-concieved notions about good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, God fearing christians vs. godless atheists so it MUST be wrong. Repent you fool - before it's too late and you end up on the wrong end of an automatic weapon!!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Doesn't that sound more plausible?
Yes, but it doesn't fit their pre-concieved notions about good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, God fearing christians vs. godless atheists so it MUST be wrong. Repent you fool - before it's too late and you end up on the wrong end of an automatic weapon!!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Repent you fool - before it's too late and you end up on the wrong end of an automatic weapon!!
OK OK, I'm afraid, I'm very afraid! :)
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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static int Sqrt(int x){ if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:====TSI TLFL EEOOLHTG===== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Decode that and you will win.;P ============Hint=========== cout << "33 20 57 4F 52 44 53 62 63 6B 77 6F 72 64 73";Henize wrote:
Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
Yeah. Look at muslim fanatics. :rolleyes:
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
Red Stateler wrote:
I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism
I'm guessing that anyone who is fucked up enough will commit the most atrocious acts regardless of their belif or otherwise in a diety. It just so happens that at the moment that some muslim fanatics are doing a good job at fucking up the minds of young impressionable muslims. In a similar fashion random elements in society* have come together in these three cases to to produce fucked up kids who go on a shooting spree then kill themselves. * What I mean is that no one brainwashed them in to it (not that I know of anyway) but that the way they interacted with society lead them down this particularly gruesome path. The usual questions arise - Was it violent videos, computer games, gangster rap, etc.? They all played a part in the social conditioning of the person weilding the gun - How much conditioning is subject to many interpretations
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
I don't think Christianity provides reliable protection against suicide. It might give you something to hold on to ride out some hard times, but some lose grip (so to speak), and for some the ride is to long. While I'm curious, too, this informaiton is insignificant without knowing the number of both atheist non-killers and non-atheist killers. Otherwise, one could argue that none of them looks remotely mongloid, so it's a clear case of non-mongloid terrorism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Christians condemn suicide as sinful
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts. :rolleyes:
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
With the condemnation comes the (ab)solution: confess, pray N Ave Marias, and your sins are forgiven - err, eh, I mean the priest forgives the sin.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
That is something that every abortion clinic bomber has done.
Sure, but I don't know what that has to do with this situation.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Red Stateler wrote:
Christians condemn suicide as sinful
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts. :rolleyes:
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
Mike Mullikin wrote:
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts.
Obviously, but the difference is that Christians do it in spite of their religion, Muslims do it at the request of their religion and atheists do it with no opposition from their religion. I can't think of any aggressive murder suicides committed by active Christians.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity. :rolleyes:
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity.
Why not? Excluding the current week's shooting's (which I''m unfamiliar with), previous school shootings have been shown to be aggressively done in the name of atheism.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity.
Why not? Excluding the current week's shooting's (which I''m unfamiliar with), previous school shootings have been shown to be aggressively done in the name of atheism.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
That is something that every abortion clinic bomber has done.
Sure, but I don't know what that has to do with this situation.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
=====Brain melting code=====
static int Sqrt(int x){ if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:====TSI TLFL EEOOLHTG===== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Decode that and you will win.;P ============Hint=========== cout << "33 20 57 4F 52 44 53 62 63 6B 77 6F 72 64 73";Henize wrote:
Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
What makes you say that? The Columbine kids (who started the whole school shoot-em-up game) were known to be atheists and one even wore a shirt labelled "survival of the fittest" (in reference to evolution) as he shot up his school mates. That's kind of like a Muslim wearing a rag or whatever they wear when they blow up a bomb.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible?
Ah, I see. A Christian shoots an abortion doctor and he's a "Christian terrorist". An atheist shoots up a school of Christians and the poor soul just couldn't take modern living any more and needed a release.
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Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLWhy would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
=====Brain melting code=====
static int Sqrt(int x){ if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:====TSI TLFL EEOOLHTG===== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Decode that and you will win.;P ============Hint=========== cout << "33 20 57 4F 52 44 53 62 63 6B 77 6F 72 64 73";Henize wrote:
I agree that lack of morals can be deadly.
So can a sense of moral superiorty.
Henize wrote:
Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
It can be "bad" for the same exact reason.
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Henize wrote:
Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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