Atheist terrorism?
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
Yeah. Look at muslim fanatics. :rolleyes:
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism
I'm guessing that anyone who is fucked up enough will commit the most atrocious acts regardless of their belif or otherwise in a diety. It just so happens that at the moment that some muslim fanatics are doing a good job at fucking up the minds of young impressionable muslims. In a similar fashion random elements in society* have come together in these three cases to to produce fucked up kids who go on a shooting spree then kill themselves. * What I mean is that no one brainwashed them in to it (not that I know of anyway) but that the way they interacted with society lead them down this particularly gruesome path. The usual questions arise - Was it violent videos, computer games, gangster rap, etc.? They all played a part in the social conditioning of the person weilding the gun - How much conditioning is subject to many interpretations
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
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I don't think Christianity provides reliable protection against suicide. It might give you something to hold on to ride out some hard times, but some lose grip (so to speak), and for some the ride is to long. While I'm curious, too, this informaiton is insignificant without knowing the number of both atheist non-killers and non-atheist killers. Otherwise, one could argue that none of them looks remotely mongloid, so it's a clear case of non-mongloid terrorism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Christians condemn suicide as sinful
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts. :rolleyes:
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With the condemnation comes the (ab)solution: confess, pray N Ave Marias, and your sins are forgiven - err, eh, I mean the priest forgives the sin.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
That is something that every abortion clinic bomber has done.
Sure, but I don't know what that has to do with this situation.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Christians condemn suicide as sinful
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts. :rolleyes:
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts.
Obviously, but the difference is that Christians do it in spite of their religion, Muslims do it at the request of their religion and atheists do it with no opposition from their religion. I can't think of any aggressive murder suicides committed by active Christians.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity. :rolleyes:
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity.
Why not? Excluding the current week's shooting's (which I''m unfamiliar with), previous school shootings have been shown to be aggressively done in the name of atheism.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Of course, that's some real good and not-out-of-your-ass guessing, as usual. They all did it in the name of... lack of belief in a deity.
Why not? Excluding the current week's shooting's (which I''m unfamiliar with), previous school shootings have been shown to be aggressively done in the name of atheism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
That is something that every abortion clinic bomber has done.
Sure, but I don't know what that has to do with this situation.
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
What makes you say that? The Columbine kids (who started the whole school shoot-em-up game) were known to be atheists and one even wore a shirt labelled "survival of the fittest" (in reference to evolution) as he shot up his school mates. That's kind of like a Muslim wearing a rag or whatever they wear when they blow up a bomb.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible?
Ah, I see. A Christian shoots an abortion doctor and he's a "Christian terrorist". An atheist shoots up a school of Christians and the poor soul just couldn't take modern living any more and needed a release.
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Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLWhy would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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static int Sqrt(int x){ if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:====TSI TLFL EEOOLHTG===== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Decode that and you will win.;P ============Hint=========== cout << "33 20 57 4F 52 44 53 62 63 6B 77 6F 72 64 73";Henize wrote:
I agree that lack of morals can be deadly.
So can a sense of moral superiorty.
Henize wrote:
Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
It can be "bad" for the same exact reason.
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Henize wrote:
Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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I saw that and thought your website was finally up and working. Tease. :rolleyes:
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Considering fewer people were killed in abortion clinic bombings (both of which perpetrated by one man who was eventually caught and found guilty by Christians) over the past 35 years than were killed today...I think Christians can claim the moral high ground. I'm also excluding the 50 million babies that were killed by abortion clinics.
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Why would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
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Firstly, nihilism is not comparable to atheism. Secondly, whilst performing any act as a Christian may be in the name of God (subject to individual interpretation) an act in the absense of religion is nothing more than the act. There is nothing for it to be in the name of.
Red Stateler wrote:
are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists
I would like to see some proof of that, but won't hold my breath. Statistically as the percentage of athiests increases past the number of theists then the proportion of crime will shift, but we are not at that point yet.
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David Wulff wrote:
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I saw that and thought your website was finally up and working. Tease. :rolleyes:
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Yep, believe it or not, ;) religious people do bad things too. Often times, more than non-religious people. Paul mentions this in his letter to Rome:
If you're brought up religious, don't assume that you can lean back in the arms of your religion and take it easy, feeling smug because you're an insider to God's revelation, a connoisseur of the best things of God, informed on the latest doctrines! I have a special word of caution for you who are sure that you have it all together yourselves and, because you know God's revealed Word inside and out, feel qualified to guide others through their blind alleys and dark nights and confused emotions to God. While you are guiding others, who is going to guide you? I'm quite serious. While preaching "Don't steal!" are you going to rob people blind? Who would suspect you? The same with adultery. The same with idolatry. You can get by with almost anything if you front it with eloquent talk about God. The line from Scripture, "It's because of you the nations hate God," shows it's an old problem that isn't going to go away.
and again, this time speaking in the first person:
Since even good people do wrong, you might ask, "Is good just as dangerous as evil?" No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary. But I need something more! For if I know the Torah but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time. It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge. I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm
Hey Judah, which bible did you quote it from? I'm thinking of purchasing a more 'contemporary' bible for reading supplement. Thanks.
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Hey Judah, which bible did you quote it from? I'm thinking of purchasing a more 'contemporary' bible for reading supplement. Thanks.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia
I think that was from "The Message" translation. Or most of it, anyways. I have a Message translation at home; I like it for it's easy-to-understand language. Sometimes it goes a little overboard with the modern language, for instance, phrases like "a song for singing the blues" instead of "lamentations", or "raise the roof with praises" instead of "shout praises to God", and other rather laughable paraphrasing. Despite these funny little things, I do enjoy the Message, and I would recommend it.
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Considering fewer people were killed in abortion clinic bombings (both of which perpetrated by one man who was eventually caught and found guilty by Christians) over the past 35 years than were killed today...I think Christians can claim the moral high ground. I'm also excluding the 50 million babies that were killed by abortion clinics.
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