Atheist terrorism?
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ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
What makes you say that? The Columbine kids (who started the whole school shoot-em-up game) were known to be atheists and one even wore a shirt labelled "survival of the fittest" (in reference to evolution) as he shot up his school mates. That's kind of like a Muslim wearing a rag or whatever they wear when they blow up a bomb.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible?
Ah, I see. A Christian shoots an abortion doctor and he's a "Christian terrorist". An atheist shoots up a school of Christians and the poor soul just couldn't take modern living any more and needed a release.
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Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLWhy would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly.
So can a sense of moral superiorty.
Henize wrote:
Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
It can be "bad" for the same exact reason.
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Henize wrote:
Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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arsenal
I saw that and thought your website was finally up and working. Tease. :rolleyes:
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Considering fewer people were killed in abortion clinic bombings (both of which perpetrated by one man who was eventually caught and found guilty by Christians) over the past 35 years than were killed today...I think Christians can claim the moral high ground. I'm also excluding the 50 million babies that were killed by abortion clinics.
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Why would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
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Firstly, nihilism is not comparable to atheism. Secondly, whilst performing any act as a Christian may be in the name of God (subject to individual interpretation) an act in the absense of religion is nothing more than the act. There is nothing for it to be in the name of.
Red Stateler wrote:
are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists
I would like to see some proof of that, but won't hold my breath. Statistically as the percentage of athiests increases past the number of theists then the proportion of crime will shift, but we are not at that point yet.
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David Wulff wrote:
arsenal
I saw that and thought your website was finally up and working. Tease. :rolleyes:
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Maybe I'll get it done in time for my 24th birthday. :~
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Yep, believe it or not, ;) religious people do bad things too. Often times, more than non-religious people. Paul mentions this in his letter to Rome:
If you're brought up religious, don't assume that you can lean back in the arms of your religion and take it easy, feeling smug because you're an insider to God's revelation, a connoisseur of the best things of God, informed on the latest doctrines! I have a special word of caution for you who are sure that you have it all together yourselves and, because you know God's revealed Word inside and out, feel qualified to guide others through their blind alleys and dark nights and confused emotions to God. While you are guiding others, who is going to guide you? I'm quite serious. While preaching "Don't steal!" are you going to rob people blind? Who would suspect you? The same with adultery. The same with idolatry. You can get by with almost anything if you front it with eloquent talk about God. The line from Scripture, "It's because of you the nations hate God," shows it's an old problem that isn't going to go away.
and again, this time speaking in the first person:
Since even good people do wrong, you might ask, "Is good just as dangerous as evil?" No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary. But I need something more! For if I know the Torah but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time. It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge. I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm
Hey Judah, which bible did you quote it from? I'm thinking of purchasing a more 'contemporary' bible for reading supplement. Thanks.
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Hey Judah, which bible did you quote it from? I'm thinking of purchasing a more 'contemporary' bible for reading supplement. Thanks.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia
I think that was from "The Message" translation. Or most of it, anyways. I have a Message translation at home; I like it for it's easy-to-understand language. Sometimes it goes a little overboard with the modern language, for instance, phrases like "a song for singing the blues" instead of "lamentations", or "raise the roof with praises" instead of "shout praises to God", and other rather laughable paraphrasing. Despite these funny little things, I do enjoy the Message, and I would recommend it.
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Considering fewer people were killed in abortion clinic bombings (both of which perpetrated by one man who was eventually caught and found guilty by Christians) over the past 35 years than were killed today...I think Christians can claim the moral high ground. I'm also excluding the 50 million babies that were killed by abortion clinics.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
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That's an interesting point. I see you've been one voted for your insolence but to at least consider this view seems fair and even handled, especially considering the clear anti-Muslim leanings and biases that a prevalent; there is no shortage of people drawing conclusions about all Muslims based on the actions of a few.
Steve
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Henize wrote:
Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die?
You know, I'd never thought about that. I don't believe in any god so tomorrow I will strap my arsenal[^] to my back and go on a murderous rampage at my local orphanage. Because, obviously, there is nothing at all stopping me from doing so. I hope that part of your post was as sarcastic as mine.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
I don't believe in any god
What do you believe in? How does existence exist? What made it all happen. What created existence? It is amazing! We are here in an infinite void, we have a position in this infinite void and that by its self is amazing. How can I be here and you over there? What properties of matter determines its position in space? Life is another maracle . How do we feel and think? We are not biological machines just roaming around seeming to be intelligent, we actually feel and experience the universe. Open you mind, you do not have to believe in a religion, just believe that there is something intelligent that created the universe. Just ponder on how existence was brought to existence and realize there is a purpose to it all.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217073,00.html[^] This is the third deadly school shooting in the US within a week. I doubt the media will elaborate, but I would like to know the religious affiliations of each of these terrorists. Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...I'm guessing we're experiencing an epidemic of atheist terrorism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...
That`s twisted logic, even by your standards. You can sometimes be funny, but do you have to post this when the soapbox is on probation? I'd hate to put you on the same level as Kyle.
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Ray Cassick wrote:
The Crusades?
A 1000 year-old war brought on by the Muslim conquest of Europe? That's the best you can do? How about this? Russia, China, Germany...Even North Korea to this day. Hundreds of millions slaughtered by the lack of religion...All in our generation.
Ray Cassick wrote:
The surpression of science?
Like that atheist Isaac Newton who devoted even more of his time to theology than science? :rolleyes:
Ray Cassick wrote:
Salem witch hunts?
I don't think they "hunted" witches.
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Firstly, nihilism is not comparable to atheism. Secondly, whilst performing any act as a Christian may be in the name of God (subject to individual interpretation) an act in the absense of religion is nothing more than the act. There is nothing for it to be in the name of.
Red Stateler wrote:
are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists
I would like to see some proof of that, but won't hold my breath. Statistically as the percentage of athiests increases past the number of theists then the proportion of crime will shift, but we are not at that point yet.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
Firstly, nihilism is not comparable to atheism.
In today's world, they are most certainly comparable.
David Wulff wrote:
Secondly, whilst performing any act as a Christian may be in the name of God (subject to individual interpretation) an act in the absense of religion is nothing more than the act. There is nothing for it to be in the name of.
That depends on the motivation. As we saw in Columbine, they most certainly killed "in the name of" atheism. Atheism is not simply the absence of belief (that's agnosticism). It's the active belief in nothing and often the active suppression of those who disagree with that active belief. I think we should investigate this increasing level of violence. Frankly, atheists seem to align themselves theologically more with Islamofascists (perhaps because of atheism's history of fascist sympathy). I wonder if this alignment goes a little deeper than sympathy.
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David Wulff wrote:
Firstly, nihilism is not comparable to atheism.
In today's world, they are most certainly comparable.
David Wulff wrote:
Secondly, whilst performing any act as a Christian may be in the name of God (subject to individual interpretation) an act in the absense of religion is nothing more than the act. There is nothing for it to be in the name of.
That depends on the motivation. As we saw in Columbine, they most certainly killed "in the name of" atheism. Atheism is not simply the absence of belief (that's agnosticism). It's the active belief in nothing and often the active suppression of those who disagree with that active belief. I think we should investigate this increasing level of violence. Frankly, atheists seem to align themselves theologically more with Islamofascists (perhaps because of atheism's history of fascist sympathy). I wonder if this alignment goes a little deeper than sympathy.
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Red Stateler wrote:
In today's world, they [nihilism & atheism] are most certainly comparable.
Ridiculous - that is a theistic conceit. Lack of a belief in a god or gods, or a belief that no gods exist, does not equate to a belief that the human experience is meaningless. Are you a Christian, Espeir?
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Red Stateler wrote:
Since none of the three were Muslims (ruling out suicide attacks) and Christians condemn suicide as sinful and the Columbine kids were avid atheists and these attacks are somewhat modelled after columbine...
That`s twisted logic, even by your standards. You can sometimes be funny, but do you have to post this when the soapbox is on probation? I'd hate to put you on the same level as Kyle.
It's not meant to be a string of logical deduction, but rather a theory. Columbine was atheist terrorism. I have no doubt about that. There have been numerous copycat shootings (3 this week alone). This latest specifically targetted a group of peaceful Christians. Atheists seem to attribute all sort of violence to Christianity (no matter how many centuries old). Now I want to know whether or not this string of crimes is based on atheism. That's a reasonable question.
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Red Stateler wrote:
In today's world, they [nihilism & atheism] are most certainly comparable.
Ridiculous - that is a theistic conceit. Lack of a belief in a god or gods, or a belief that no gods exist, does not equate to a belief that the human experience is meaningless. Are you a Christian, Espeir?
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Ridiculous - that is a theistic conceit. Lack of a belief in a god or gods, or a belief that no gods exist, does not equate to a belief that the human experience is meaningless.
I specifically said "in today's world". Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today. Your logic is erroneous.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Ridiculous - that is a theistic conceit. Lack of a belief in a god or gods, or a belief that no gods exist, does not equate to a belief that the human experience is meaningless.
I specifically said "in today's world". Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today. Your logic is erroneous.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically said "in today's world". Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today. Your logic is erroneous.
Well, you can certainly say so, but as your rebuttal consists only of vaguely re-stating your position, I suppose we will have to remain in disagreement on this point. ...are you a Christian, Espeir?
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It's not meant to be a string of logical deduction, but rather a theory. Columbine was atheist terrorism. I have no doubt about that. There have been numerous copycat shootings (3 this week alone). This latest specifically targetted a group of peaceful Christians. Atheists seem to attribute all sort of violence to Christianity (no matter how many centuries old). Now I want to know whether or not this string of crimes is based on atheism. That's a reasonable question.
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I delete my original post, I should'nt have gotten as low as you, not on this topic on this day. Sorry to everybody else. -- modified at 22:54 Monday 2nd October, 2006