Atheist terrorism?
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Do you think that there would be no crime, if everyone believed in the same religion/God? Why do you think respect for others can be achieved only through a stick of divine retribution?
Thomas George wrote:
Do you think that there would be no crime, if everyone believed in the same religion/God?
It would surely help, but thats not what I was saying. Like when I am feeling extremely depressed or angry I will think about God and how I may be being tested to see what I can handle. Maybe God is testing us like we test software. If we do not meet the required standards another life form may take our dominate position in the world, like the dinosaurs. That is just a far out theory though. When someone has a strong believe in God it is possible for them to overcome many obstacles than one with no beliefs.
Thomas George wrote:
Why do you think respect for others can be achieved only through a stick of divine retribution?
Now I don't think any religion is correct at all. It is entirely made up fiction, but most religion teach good values that should be followed by everyone, the 10 commandments are a good example of that. The 10 commandments does not really have anything to do with religion, they are just good common sense rules to follow. What I was saying is that you should believe because existence its self proves there is something more powerful than anything possibly conceivable by any mind in the universe. Think deeper. Think about existence and how amazing it is!
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Thomas George wrote:
Do you think that there would be no crime, if everyone believed in the same religion/God?
It would surely help, but thats not what I was saying. Like when I am feeling extremely depressed or angry I will think about God and how I may be being tested to see what I can handle. Maybe God is testing us like we test software. If we do not meet the required standards another life form may take our dominate position in the world, like the dinosaurs. That is just a far out theory though. When someone has a strong believe in God it is possible for them to overcome many obstacles than one with no beliefs.
Thomas George wrote:
Why do you think respect for others can be achieved only through a stick of divine retribution?
Now I don't think any religion is correct at all. It is entirely made up fiction, but most religion teach good values that should be followed by everyone, the 10 commandments are a good example of that. The 10 commandments does not really have anything to do with religion, they are just good common sense rules to follow. What I was saying is that you should believe because existence its self proves there is something more powerful than anything possibly conceivable by any mind in the universe. Think deeper. Think about existence and how amazing it is!
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Red Stateler wrote:
in the name of atheism
I don't recall many people shouting out "Praise be to the absense of god" before executing people and then taking their own life.
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Why would you praise the absence of God? That makes no sense. The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility. Frankly, I find it concerning that atheists, which have previously been rather benign (except in certain communist and nazi nations) are increasingly committing violence crimes against theists.
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Red Stateler wrote:
The acts themselves, conducted by atheists, are done in praise of nihilism and the belief of a lack of accountibility
I'm an athiest, but I still believe in accountability. That said, it's time for me to go to work - or I'll be accountable to my boss!
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I agree that lack of morals can be deadly. Why bother being good to other people when you just gonna be non-existent when you die? Religion can be good because it can bring a large number of people together because they share a common belief.
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because they share a common belief
I think large groups with a common belief is the problem. Belief is accepting something without proof; so, by definition, it cannot be changed by dialog or reason. It means large groups that will not accept any meaningful conversation on issues that fall within their beliefs. Meanwhile, these people would be very nice people, if such contentious issues were to not arise. Also a man fails to remain a man. He becomes a Christian or a Muslim; and thinks that they have to defend everything -- good or bad -- associated with the group. Thomas
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Yep, believe it or not, ;) religious people do bad things too. Often times, more than non-religious people. Paul mentions this in his letter to Rome:
If you're brought up religious, don't assume that you can lean back in the arms of your religion and take it easy, feeling smug because you're an insider to God's revelation, a connoisseur of the best things of God, informed on the latest doctrines! I have a special word of caution for you who are sure that you have it all together yourselves and, because you know God's revealed Word inside and out, feel qualified to guide others through their blind alleys and dark nights and confused emotions to God. While you are guiding others, who is going to guide you? I'm quite serious. While preaching "Don't steal!" are you going to rob people blind? Who would suspect you? The same with adultery. The same with idolatry. You can get by with almost anything if you front it with eloquent talk about God. The line from Scripture, "It's because of you the nations hate God," shows it's an old problem that isn't going to go away.
and again, this time speaking in the first person:
Since even good people do wrong, you might ask, "Is good just as dangerous as evil?" No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary. But I need something more! For if I know the Torah but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time. It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge. I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm
Judah Himango wrote:
I'm at the end of my rope.
Is that like "I'm at the end of my tether."? "I'm at the end of my rope" sounds like I've just been hanged.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Ridiculous - that is a theistic conceit. Lack of a belief in a god or gods, or a belief that no gods exist, does not equate to a belief that the human experience is meaningless.
I specifically said "in today's world". Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today. Your logic is erroneous.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
They also condemn theft, adultry, murder, etc... but that doesn't stop them from commiting such acts.
Obviously, but the difference is that Christians do it in spite of their religion, Muslims do it at the request of their religion and atheists do it with no opposition from their religion. I can't think of any aggressive murder suicides committed by active Christians.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today
That's complete crap. Indifference is the prevelant philosophy of atheists today.
Indifference is nihilism.
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Red Stateler wrote:
"except in certain communist and nazi nation
You are still wrong. Hitler and Hitler's Germany were not atheistic by any stretch of the imagination and I dare you to cite reputable evidence to the contrary.
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dennisd45 wrote:
I dare you to cite reputable evidence to the contrary.
How about their subversion of all churches and the placement of an iconographic state as the savior of their citizens.
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when you say translation, does it mean it was translated from hebrew?
The Old Testament was. The New Testament, our oldest manuscripts are Greek, so they are translated from Greek. However, we know that at least some of the New Testament was written in Hebrew, as some of the early church heads noted it in their writing.
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The Old Testament was. The New Testament, our oldest manuscripts are Greek, so they are translated from Greek. However, we know that at least some of the New Testament was written in Hebrew, as some of the early church heads noted it in their writing.
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so the bible[torah,psalms] you read today in hebrew, is it same like it was 2000+ years ago?
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Well, you have a point there. It's the same "moral relativism" as far as I can see. And just because someone claims to follow a "higher rule" doesn't mean they always do. And the fact that they don't always follow that higher rule doesn't invalidate the higher rule. It does make them a hypocrit though. I guess we're all hypocritical sometimes.
Ray Cassick wrote:
And, to top it all off they feel they are justified in doing so.
They may feel they're justified, but they're obviously not. I mean how stupid can someone be? To claim to be "pro-life" and then go and kill someone in support of the "pro-life" cause is just plain idiocy.
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dennisd45 wrote:
I dare you to cite reputable evidence to the contrary.
How about their subversion of all churches and the placement of an iconographic state as the savior of their citizens.
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Just how many executions have you witnessed? Man! you should change the company you keep :)
I guess I just have that effect on people. :~
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ahz wrote:
No, but they did it from a lack of morals and respect.
They did it for whatever reason, but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
ahz wrote:
Or perhaps one could say they defined their own "morals".
They defined their own morals? At that moment? Were they believers before that moment and all of the sudden they turned to atheism, which altered their morals? How about this: They lost it, they went crazy, they stopped caring about obeying the law. Doesn't that sound more plausible? Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
but it had nothing to do with their beliefs (or lack thereof) in a deity.
I didn't say it did.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
They defined their own morals? At that moment?
Yes, that's my point. And no, it probably wasn't in the moment. I mean, after all, most, if not all, of these murderers planned the acts far in advance. My point is that everyone decides who they will be and how they will act. Those are your "morals" whether they're religious-based or based on something else, such as humanism. And yes, sometimes, in order to justify to ourselves an otherwise immoral act, we change what we believe so that it becomes more acceptable to us. That ultimately has nothing to do with the state of one's belief or non-belief in God.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Red Stateler wrote:
Nihilism is the prevelant philosophy of atheisms today
That's complete crap. Indifference is the prevelant philosophy of atheists today.
Craster wrote:
Indifference is the prevelant philosophy of atheists today.
Oh, I disagree with that. If they were so indifferent, then they wouldn't be complaining about a religious plaque here or there or some other occasional display of religiousity. Today, atheists are anything *but* indifferent.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay