Yo espeir!
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Red Stateler wrote:
Ummmm...Because you were responding to it?
I responded because I disagree with you. Not because I want to fit everything into your definition. That is your job, not mine.
Red Stateler wrote:
most atheists actively reject Christianity and the Christian God, too.
Most of them may have never accepted it in the first place. Atleast, it seems that there is also a non-violent way to switch as demonstrated by many atheists who may have been formerly Christian.
Red Stateler wrote:
His active rejection of God did.
I am happy to know that the practising (and molesting) priests are still Christians, because they molested without rejecting Christ as their saviour. You think that active rejection of God may have (atleast you are bit uncertain now - that is some progress) made him do this heinious crime; I disagree. I think this guy would have had a similar reaction, if he was disappointed with something else other than God. I think he did this because he was nuts, and he was pushed over the edge by some trigger, and ended up blaming God. Thomas
Thomas George wrote:
Most of them may have never accepted it in the first place. Atleast, it seems that there is also a non-violent way to switch as demonstrated by many atheists who may have been formerly Christian.
You don't have to first accept to reject. I reject atheism, though I have never accepted it. One can obviously become an atheist (or vice versa) non-violently as it happens all the time. My statement is not an interpretation of behavior universally, but of this individual. Yesterday I posed the question as to whether or not this gunman was possibly an atheist in accordance with the numerous other acts of atheism-inspired violence in schools. It turns out I was at least close and may be right. He most certainly did actively reject Christianity and it seems that this act may have been in glory of his new beliefs (since he stated that he committed them against the concept of God).
Thomas George wrote:
I am happy to know that the practising (and molesting) priests are still Christians, because they molested without rejecting Christ as their saviour.
Their Christianity is up to them.
Thomas George wrote:
You think that active rejection of God may have (atleast you are bit uncertain now - that is some progress) made him do this heinious crime; I disagree. I think this guy would have had a similar reaction, if he was disappointed with something else other than God. I think he did this because he was nuts, and he was pushed over the edge by some trigger, and ended up blaming God.
I disagree that he was nuts. He was far too lucid and calculating. I hear he even thought to bring toilet paper for a standoff.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
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Pathetic
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
"Amen brother!" :)
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You're reading way too much into a comment made by a cop paraphrasing the message he wrote. But feel free to jump to any conclusion that supports your myopic views. :laugh:
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
No, you just misinterpreted the story.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
So what makes you think this bastard rejected Christianity rather than simply sinning? Just the fact that he expressed anger towards God?
Exactly. His statement was an active rejection of God. The resulting acts were either an act of vengeance against God's lack of intervention, or an acceptance of a lack of consequence because of God's non-existence. Christian sin is done out of weakness and is considered a self-separation of God subject to reconciliation. Active rejection of God is a whole other story and is in a category of its own.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Exactly. His statement was an active rejection of God.
Exactly wrong. If I am angry with my wife, it does not mean we are divorced. If I am angry with my wife, it does not mean she does not exist.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Congratulations. You just justified his actions as...reasonable.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
Red Stateler wrote:
Congratulations. You just justified his actions as...reasonable.
Please....... Are you really that stupid, or you are being intentionally obtuse? Nowhere did I make any such statement. You are just too lost in your dogma to have a logical conversation. You wish to blame the supernatural; I wish to blame flaws in man. I do not dissolve personal responsibility like you fantasized I did; I simply reject you brainwashed bible thumping supernaturalism. Jesus Christ, chatting with you is like talking with a pissed off 6 year old.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love
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Thomas George wrote:
Most of them may have never accepted it in the first place. Atleast, it seems that there is also a non-violent way to switch as demonstrated by many atheists who may have been formerly Christian.
You don't have to first accept to reject. I reject atheism, though I have never accepted it. One can obviously become an atheist (or vice versa) non-violently as it happens all the time. My statement is not an interpretation of behavior universally, but of this individual. Yesterday I posed the question as to whether or not this gunman was possibly an atheist in accordance with the numerous other acts of atheism-inspired violence in schools. It turns out I was at least close and may be right. He most certainly did actively reject Christianity and it seems that this act may have been in glory of his new beliefs (since he stated that he committed them against the concept of God).
Thomas George wrote:
I am happy to know that the practising (and molesting) priests are still Christians, because they molested without rejecting Christ as their saviour.
Their Christianity is up to them.
Thomas George wrote:
You think that active rejection of God may have (atleast you are bit uncertain now - that is some progress) made him do this heinious crime; I disagree. I think this guy would have had a similar reaction, if he was disappointed with something else other than God. I think he did this because he was nuts, and he was pushed over the edge by some trigger, and ended up blaming God.
I disagree that he was nuts. He was far too lucid and calculating. I hear he even thought to bring toilet paper for a standoff.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
Red Stateler wrote:
I hear he even thought to bring toilet paper for a standoff.
He brought toilet paper for a standoff with armed police. Wow! If that is not nuts, I don't know what is.
Red Stateler wrote:
It turns out I was at least close and may be right.
You were not close by any standards. Feeling sad and angry because God ignored him does not make him an atheist. He never denied the existence of God; he was angry because God did not help him in ways he expected.
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Thomas George wrote:
It seems that his disappointment with the expectations created by the preachers and pastors that caused this unfortunate event.
He didn't say he was angry with his preacher/pastor. He said he was "angry with God" which indicates a departure from Him. That could mean only one of two things: 1. He still believed in God, but decided to turn against Him by committing an act of evil or, 2. He ceased to believe in God and, as is usually the case, expressed "anger with God" in the sense that he was angry that God didn't exist. Therefore, this was a crime committed expressly for the glory of Godlessness.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
Red Stateler wrote:
Therefore, this was a crime committed expressly for the glory of Godlessness.
What is sad is that I can't really tell if you believe the crap you spout. If you do, you're insane. If you don't, then you're the biggest troll this side of Hogwarts.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I hear he even thought to bring toilet paper for a standoff.
He brought toilet paper for a standoff with armed police. Wow! If that is not nuts, I don't know what is.
Red Stateler wrote:
It turns out I was at least close and may be right.
You were not close by any standards. Feeling sad and angry because God ignored him does not make him an atheist. He never denied the existence of God; he was angry because God did not help him in ways he expected.
Forget it Thomas; trying to decipher logic from espeir is like trying to describe colour to a blind person.
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Forget it Thomas; trying to decipher logic from espeir is like trying to describe colour to a blind person.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
Forget it Thomas; trying to decipher logic from espeir is like trying to describe colour to a blind person.
I apologize for my extraordinary vision.
"You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).
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Red Stateler wrote:
Therefore, this was a crime committed expressly for the glory of Godlessness.
What is sad is that I can't really tell if you believe the crap you spout. If you do, you're insane. If you don't, then you're the biggest troll this side of Hogwarts.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
you're the biggest troll this side of Hogwarts.
:laugh: I have to remember that one. Alvaro
If [God] knows what we are going to do then we have no free will and are just characters in a play written by him. Without free will, morality for humans makes no sense. Without free will and morality, any sort of punishment or reward system loses any justification. Heaven and hell would be places where [God] could watch the souls he created, predestined just for eternal happiness or agony. - Mark Thomas