Your experience with Lotus Notes
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
My boss had a pretty serious notes-problem recently. He is a notebook-user, so he replicates his mails locally. He usually moves mails from the Sent-folder to both a local and an online archive. He tried to do that a few days ago. Sent->Local Archive: all fine. Mails show up in local archive. Sent->Online Archive: Notes crashed. Afterwards, the mails were gone from the Sent-Folder, the Local Archive AND the Online Archive. So, if you have a choice, do NOT use Notes.
Cheers, Sebastian -- Contra vim mortem non est medicamen in hortem.
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Me experience is the opposite - the firm I worked at for 6 years had it and it was much better. It seems it requires very careful setting up and not many places do this successfully. Elaine :rose:
I guess that's the issue - it's so utterly customisable, that it's incredibly easy for somebody with no dev experience to customise it to the point where they make the whole thing unusable, at which point they blame lotus
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
Vikram is sorta like the anti-evangelist for them on these forums - I am sure he'd be able to give you some tips and suggestions :rolleyes:
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
If you need a highly customisable workflow system, get Notes/Domino. If all you want is an email system, get Exchange. Exchange was intended to be a workflow system but it never really reached this goal. You will need an Active Directory domain. At this point, with Exchange 2007 due to release soon, your domain controllers should be running Windows Server 2003 (SP1 or R2) and the domain should be in Windows Server 2003 Native Mode (no Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 DCs). If you're a small company with relatively few users, and haven't yet deployed a domain, consider using Windows Small Business Server 2003. This allows you to have Exchange on the same box as the DC. This can be done with the full versions of Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003, but is not recommended. You cannot add an SBS server to an existing Active Directory domain, but you can add additional DCs running Windows Server 2003 to a domain where the first DC is an SBS server.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
If you start using Notes, you'll regret it. It didn't win a place in the User Interface Hall of Shame without reason. X| X| X|
Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
I used it briefly six years ago. At that time my impression was that it had better functionality than Outlook/Exchange but that its usability sucked - often a common fault of competitors to MS offerings. Judging from some of the other comments it appears that nothing has changed re: Notes.
Kevin
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If you need a highly customisable workflow system, get Notes/Domino. If all you want is an email system, get Exchange. Exchange was intended to be a workflow system but it never really reached this goal. You will need an Active Directory domain. At this point, with Exchange 2007 due to release soon, your domain controllers should be running Windows Server 2003 (SP1 or R2) and the domain should be in Windows Server 2003 Native Mode (no Windows 2000 or NT 4.0 DCs). If you're a small company with relatively few users, and haven't yet deployed a domain, consider using Windows Small Business Server 2003. This allows you to have Exchange on the same box as the DC. This can be done with the full versions of Windows Server 2003 and Exchange Server 2003, but is not recommended. You cannot add an SBS server to an existing Active Directory domain, but you can add additional DCs running Windows Server 2003 to a domain where the first DC is an SBS server.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Thanks. I was about to post exactly the same thing, you saved me a lot of typing :) Got my 5.
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
Considering this is the lounge, I have chosen to exercise the utmost in restraint; all I can say about Notes is. Notes has no redeeming qualities.
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
The GUI of Notes terrible, but if I remember right one of the Key developer of Notes ("Ozzie") is now a major chief in Microsoft. The Question is as often: "What does it mean?":confused: But I think, Notes isnt the major target in spam etc, and has also not the activeX Security issues like MS-products. In our house we run Notes for over 200 people with little downtime, almost normal Soft-/Hardwareservice in the evenings. AFAIK our Notes servers run on Linux. And spam was only one time an issue. Notes isnt a honeypot but it is running solid. :~ I cant compare it with MS Exchange, I only know Exchange 2000 and it was a patchy one, like WinXP. X|
Greetings from Germany
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
I will drive to your house and beat you with a large trout. Use sendmail and let users choose their own clients (thunderbird) Lacking that, outlook.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Me experience is the opposite - the firm I worked at for 6 years had it and it was much better. It seems it requires very careful setting up and not many places do this successfully. Elaine :rose:
Your experience is one of the few... I've only come acrossed one Notes installation that worked that good. All they used it for was email using nothing but the monolithic client - nothing else. Could be why it stayed working so good! :-D
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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If you start using Notes, you'll regret it. It didn't win a place in the User Interface Hall of Shame without reason. X| X| X|
Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I don't think there's a single UI control in the entire application suite that's not custom written, and badly at that! :laugh: Not even a frickin' TextBox is "out-of-the-box" Windows! I think the concept of a "consistent user experience" across Windows applications was totally lost on Lotus.
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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I will drive to your house and beat you with a large trout. Use sendmail and let users choose their own clients (thunderbird) Lacking that, outlook.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Hello, I have to decide whether to use (Lotus Notes & Domino Server) OR (Outlook & Exchanges Server) in my company. My Boss wants to stop using a remote e-mail server for security reasons. I've never used Lotus Notes, but some employees in the company have used it. They said that it's more secure than Outlook. On the other hand, I remembered reading about it many times here. Many members said that it has serious problems, and that you don't know how could anyone choose it as a standard e-mail client for a company. So, Do you use it now or have used it before? Is it a GUI problem only? Isn't it more secure than Outlook and other clients? Do you recommend a third option for the client, server or both? Thanks Mohammed
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I will drive to your house and beat you with a large trout.
What's the origin of trouting? Mirc supports it as a default slap, but noone I've talked to knew why/where it came from.
A famous feature associated with mIRC even though it predates it is the ability to "slap" another user by right-clicking the target's nickname. This results in the line of text "A slaps B around a bit with a large trout". It serves no other function than to send the message, which is merely an execution of the "/action" ("/me") command in IRC. The sentence "A slaps B around a bit with a large trout" is thought to be a reference to Monty Python's sketch The Fish-Slapping Dance. This function can be removed by editing mIRC's built-in script.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage