And another Vista question
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_The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to obtain additional benefits. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157._ Does that mean mandatory internet conection?
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Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistI would imagine that if no internet connection was available, it would simply postpone it indefinately until there was one. It does still happen that computer aren't connected to a network, in which case they are probably not going to be high piracy risks. The wording of that quote sounds like it means updates to the validation code will be released over Windows Update when new techniques are introduced.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELL -
_The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to obtain additional benefits. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157._ Does that mean mandatory internet conection?
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Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistOn XP, if you want to activate a PC that hasn't got a internet connection, you get given a phone number to call (you're given a code to enter, and then get read back a code in return, which you type back into the PC, and everything's happening) They might just do something similar, only demand you do this every few months :sigh:
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On XP, if you want to activate a PC that hasn't got a internet connection, you get given a phone number to call (you're given a code to enter, and then get read back a code in return, which you type back into the PC, and everything's happening) They might just do something similar, only demand you do this every few months :sigh:
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I highly doubt you'll have to do it every couple months... then again, I'm surprised with the limited moves in the Vista licensing (not sure how Microsoft can assume you will only go through 2 machines during Vista's lifecycle).
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I would imagine that if no internet connection was available, it would simply postpone it indefinately until there was one. It does still happen that computer aren't connected to a network, in which case they are probably not going to be high piracy risks. The wording of that quote sounds like it means updates to the validation code will be released over Windows Update when new techniques are introduced.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLYou hope so. I remember a girlfriend's dad buying Norton Antivirus awhile back and going balistic because it required that you be connected to the net to validate the license. It wouldn't even let you phone in the validation. He wasn't interested in having a net connection at home and just wanted to protect his PC from the files he brought home from work everyday on a USB stick.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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_The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to obtain additional benefits. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157._ Does that mean mandatory internet conection?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistAnd as usual, the people that pirate Windows will just rip out the part that does this. As I see it, it'll mainly just annoy the legit users every couple of months/weeks/etc. Every iteration seems to have one more step of crap that legit people have to deal with. Can't wait to see what's in store for the future. Funny how MS didn't give a hoot about all this while they are trying to establish their dominance. Gee, I wonder why.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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You hope so. I remember a girlfriend's dad buying Norton Antivirus awhile back and going balistic because it required that you be connected to the net to validate the license. It wouldn't even let you phone in the validation. He wasn't interested in having a net connection at home and just wanted to protect his PC from the files he brought home from work everyday on a USB stick.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
He wasn't interested in having a net connection at home and just wanted to protect his PC from the files he brought home from work everyday on a USB stick.
but then he wouldn't be able to update his virus defintions as new viruses were discovered. Protection that isn't kept current is no protection at all. I just wish that companies would give better explanations to their users about why a net connection is required for their products.
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And as usual, the people that pirate Windows will just rip out the part that does this. As I see it, it'll mainly just annoy the legit users every couple of months/weeks/etc. Every iteration seems to have one more step of crap that legit people have to deal with. Can't wait to see what's in store for the future. Funny how MS didn't give a hoot about all this while they are trying to establish their dominance. Gee, I wonder why.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And as usual, the people that pirate Windows will just rip out the part that does this.
Actually, that isn't as true as you seem to believe. I have three friends who go to uni and, naturally, whine about never having any cash. In the past when they have upgraded their PCs they have downloaded a pirate version of Windows. Now they have all bought OEM licenses*, so they went from illegal to legal purely because of the activation/WGA features in Windows XP reducing the piracy ease. That is three cases where Microsft's anti-piracy features have reduced piracy and turned them into paying customers (rather than pushing them onto different platforms). * OEM licenses can be purchased legally with hardware upgrades. I even managed to get one of them to buy an academic version of Office 2003 through their uni. On the subject of activation, one friend has been having problems with his hard drives (3 returned under warranty in only a few weeks), and hit the activation threshold for new installations of Windows XP. He phoned the free activation number, explained why he was reinstalling and not only did he get the activation code but they also reset his counter in case it happened again in the next couple of months. It will be interesting to see what happens when he reinstalls next bcause he is also replacing his graphics card, upgrading his CPU to one of my old ones, and (naturally) installing his 4th hard drive. (Western Digital btw. There seems to be a dud batch coming from eBuyer since the start of September.) On the other hand, I manage a network with dozens of client PCs running activated installs of Windows XP (i.e. not VLed) and have never had a single problem with activation or WGA. You just click once and forget about it forever more. There will always be cases where problems will arise, but my friend abiove has shown that Microsoft are not at all unapproachable or unreasonable should you run into one.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELL -
And as usual, the people that pirate Windows will just rip out the part that does this. As I see it, it'll mainly just annoy the legit users every couple of months/weeks/etc. Every iteration seems to have one more step of crap that legit people have to deal with. Can't wait to see what's in store for the future. Funny how MS didn't give a hoot about all this while they are trying to establish their dominance. Gee, I wonder why.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
Well, I have to actually agree with you on this one! Microsoft got a little comfortable with thier verification system. Pirates really did not have to crack the system with XP, they only had to build keygens and many simply used corporate keys. With MS locking more things down, it just might drive pirates to completely crack Vista and leave it bare naked with fully functional updates. If this happens MS stands to lose a lot more than they have in the past. While I understand wanted to stop piracy (even more so in countries that allow pirates to completely duplicate your product and sell it), I think this might backfire on MS. With there high prices and now mostly locking you out of future installs, I think there is a lot of people who will either go Apple (to me seems the second most user friendly OS) or just find a pirate.
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_The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to obtain additional benefits. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157._ Does that mean mandatory internet conection?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistFrom the license, it sure sounds like a net connection will be required at regular intervals.
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Paul Watson wrote:
He wasn't interested in having a net connection at home and just wanted to protect his PC from the files he brought home from work everyday on a USB stick.
but then he wouldn't be able to update his virus defintions as new viruses were discovered. Protection that isn't kept current is no protection at all. I just wish that companies would give better explanations to their users about why a net connection is required for their products.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
He wanted to download the updates at work and bring them home. Just as he had been doing successfully for years.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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He wanted to download the updates at work and bring them home. Just as he had been doing successfully for years.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
He wanted to download the updates at work and bring them home. Just as he had been doing successfully for years.
I never knew that worked for virus defintions. Learn something new everyday.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Paul Watson wrote:
He wanted to download the updates at work and bring them home. Just as he had been doing successfully for years.
I never knew that worked for virus defintions. Learn something new everyday.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
It is handy to know for poorly-networked offices where some poor IT sod has to go to each desktop and install the virus defintions from a floppy disk. Download it once to one computer and then walk around putting it on the other machines.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Paul Watson wrote:
He wanted to download the updates at work and bring them home. Just as he had been doing successfully for years.
I never knew that worked for virus defintions. Learn something new everyday.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And as usual, the people that pirate Windows will just rip out the part that does this.
Actually, that isn't as true as you seem to believe. I have three friends who go to uni and, naturally, whine about never having any cash. In the past when they have upgraded their PCs they have downloaded a pirate version of Windows. Now they have all bought OEM licenses*, so they went from illegal to legal purely because of the activation/WGA features in Windows XP reducing the piracy ease. That is three cases where Microsft's anti-piracy features have reduced piracy and turned them into paying customers (rather than pushing them onto different platforms). * OEM licenses can be purchased legally with hardware upgrades. I even managed to get one of them to buy an academic version of Office 2003 through their uni. On the subject of activation, one friend has been having problems with his hard drives (3 returned under warranty in only a few weeks), and hit the activation threshold for new installations of Windows XP. He phoned the free activation number, explained why he was reinstalling and not only did he get the activation code but they also reset his counter in case it happened again in the next couple of months. It will be interesting to see what happens when he reinstalls next bcause he is also replacing his graphics card, upgrading his CPU to one of my old ones, and (naturally) installing his 4th hard drive. (Western Digital btw. There seems to be a dud batch coming from eBuyer since the start of September.) On the other hand, I manage a network with dozens of client PCs running activated installs of Windows XP (i.e. not VLed) and have never had a single problem with activation or WGA. You just click once and forget about it forever more. There will always be cases where problems will arise, but my friend abiove has shown that Microsoft are not at all unapproachable or unreasonable should you run into one.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
Actually, that isn't as true as you seem to believe. I have three friends who go to uni and, naturally, whine about never having any cash. In the past when they have upgraded their PCs they have downloaded a pirate version of Windows. Now they have all bought OEM licenses*, so they went from illegal to legal purely because of the activation/WGA features in Windows XP reducing the piracy ease. That is three cases where Microsft's anti-piracy features have reduced piracy and turned them into paying customers (rather than pushing them onto different platforms).
Glad that happened, but you can't assume 3 cases is enough to base any real claims on. I have have/had a friend who didn't stop even after MS put that in, so that's one case were it didn't do anything to match your three. My point is, you can't stop warez. Even with that, a one time activation I can live with, but it seems that MS is always pushing us with something new. I doubth this is the last "jump" legit people will have to endure.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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Well, I have to actually agree with you on this one! Microsoft got a little comfortable with thier verification system. Pirates really did not have to crack the system with XP, they only had to build keygens and many simply used corporate keys. With MS locking more things down, it just might drive pirates to completely crack Vista and leave it bare naked with fully functional updates. If this happens MS stands to lose a lot more than they have in the past. While I understand wanted to stop piracy (even more so in countries that allow pirates to completely duplicate your product and sell it), I think this might backfire on MS. With there high prices and now mostly locking you out of future installs, I think there is a lot of people who will either go Apple (to me seems the second most user friendly OS) or just find a pirate.
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Well, I'd like to think the less savvy users wouldn't know one way or the other, just use whatever shows up on the PC you buy. But, the fact is there's always a way to circumvent these things, and I doubt that those that do pirate will be stopped just because these periodic check up has to happen now.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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David Wulff wrote:
Actually, that isn't as true as you seem to believe. I have three friends who go to uni and, naturally, whine about never having any cash. In the past when they have upgraded their PCs they have downloaded a pirate version of Windows. Now they have all bought OEM licenses*, so they went from illegal to legal purely because of the activation/WGA features in Windows XP reducing the piracy ease. That is three cases where Microsft's anti-piracy features have reduced piracy and turned them into paying customers (rather than pushing them onto different platforms).
Glad that happened, but you can't assume 3 cases is enough to base any real claims on. I have have/had a friend who didn't stop even after MS put that in, so that's one case were it didn't do anything to match your three. My point is, you can't stop warez. Even with that, a one time activation I can live with, but it seems that MS is always pushing us with something new. I doubth this is the last "jump" legit people will have to endure.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
one case were it didn't do anything to match your three
One case matches three? Of course you can't stop dedicated thieves from stealing - they could steal a computer with Windows already activated if they wanted to, but by making it more difficult to steal it and giving more opportunities to buy legal there will always be more people taking the easy route. People need to get over this impression that an OS is some optional feature to add to a new computer - it isn't, it is as much a part of it as the motherboard or CPU. If they don't want to pay for that then there are plenty of other alternatives.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELL -
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
one case were it didn't do anything to match your three
One case matches three? Of course you can't stop dedicated thieves from stealing - they could steal a computer with Windows already activated if they wanted to, but by making it more difficult to steal it and giving more opportunities to buy legal there will always be more people taking the easy route. People need to get over this impression that an OS is some optional feature to add to a new computer - it isn't, it is as much a part of it as the motherboard or CPU. If they don't want to pay for that then there are plenty of other alternatives.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
One case matches three?
It wasn't a competition, at least on my part. It was to give an idea that it doesn't deter everyone.
David Wulff wrote:
Of course you can't stop dedicated thieves from stealing
And those dedicated ones will most likey have their work/efforts posted online for others to use. I realize a select few that may not know better, have a change of heart, take the easy route, or whatever may start ponying up the cash because of it. But, by and large it didn't stop piracy and won't continue to stop it. I mean, if activation completely stopped it, I'd think MS would've left well enough alone. The point I'm addressing is what's next? When does it stop? What crap must be shoved down the legit users throats? They'll never stop piracy, so in the end you get a few more bucks but force millions of legit users to get through a PITA. As much money as MS spends on marketing and wasting on the xbox, you'd think it wouldn't be as big a deal. However, my guess is this is really because of the decline in sales since Win2k, but that's just speculation. My secondary point is, I find it odd how they only care about piracy so much now, many many many years after the first version of Windows came to be.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
one case were it didn't do anything to match your three
One case matches three? Of course you can't stop dedicated thieves from stealing - they could steal a computer with Windows already activated if they wanted to, but by making it more difficult to steal it and giving more opportunities to buy legal there will always be more people taking the easy route. People need to get over this impression that an OS is some optional feature to add to a new computer - it isn't, it is as much a part of it as the motherboard or CPU. If they don't want to pay for that then there are plenty of other alternatives.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLAnd btw, I'd wager the decline in sales had less to do with pirating and more to do with MS not pushing out anything really new and unique in over a decade, bad press on Window's security, etc.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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And btw, I'd wager the decline in sales had less to do with pirating and more to do with MS not pushing out anything really new and unique in over a decade, bad press on Window's security, etc.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
What decline in sales are you referring to?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
MS not pushing out anything really new and unique in over a decade
Windows XP was a vast improvement for home users, and pretty significant for business users too, with more stability, more security and more support. If you think security is bad now then try supporting some average users on Windows 2000 and 98/Me machines. XP SP2 brought even more, and that was a free-of-cost upgrade.
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELL -
What decline in sales are you referring to?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
MS not pushing out anything really new and unique in over a decade
Windows XP was a vast improvement for home users, and pretty significant for business users too, with more stability, more security and more support. If you think security is bad now then try supporting some average users on Windows 2000 and 98/Me machines. XP SP2 brought even more, and that was a free-of-cost upgrade.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
What decline in sales are you referring to?
Well, the one in mind is Win2K. It still never sold as much as MS had expected last I read.
David Wulff wrote:
Windows XP was a vast improvement for home users
It may be a bit more secure, but it's not secure by any means. Besides, I said new and unique, and nothing of the sorts has been put out by MS since Windows 95, everything else is only something power users/programmers/geeks care about.
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]