Vista activation myths
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
The quotes you have are actually from their original activation model for XP. Wonder if any of these will change since the license of Vista has substantially changed. Such as the requirement to have periodic validation of your system as being legal. Will be interesting to see just how far they push.
GDavy wrote:
And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on.
Don't you think if a person upgraded their system substantantially would be the same as the purchase of a new machine and thus be a valid transfer (only one allowed)? As an example, I just updated my MB, RAM, CPU power supply and video card. Seems that would be virtually a new system.
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The quotes you have are actually from their original activation model for XP. Wonder if any of these will change since the license of Vista has substantially changed. Such as the requirement to have periodic validation of your system as being legal. Will be interesting to see just how far they push.
GDavy wrote:
And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on.
Don't you think if a person upgraded their system substantantially would be the same as the purchase of a new machine and thus be a valid transfer (only one allowed)? As an example, I just updated my MB, RAM, CPU power supply and video card. Seems that would be virtually a new system.
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The motherboard is the key. Change that, and your install is toast. "Hello, Microsoft? Yeah, I replaced my motherboard with a new one because my original got fried and I couldn't find the same board to replace it with. What's that, I need to buy a new copy of Vista? That sounds fair.."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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The motherboard is the key. Change that, and your install is toast. "Hello, Microsoft? Yeah, I replaced my motherboard with a new one because my original got fried and I couldn't find the same board to replace it with. What's that, I need to buy a new copy of Vista? That sounds fair.."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001solution, buy n identical systems, install on one system, activate and create am image. If anything fails on the first system, restore image on second. Since the system was identical except maybe MAC address of system(which is a minor update), so no reactivation required. Repeat till you run out of all system, them buy another set of m systems, and repeat. With sufficiently high values of n and m; you should be able to work with only 1 copy of Vista ;P
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
Joe-blow average is gonna be mighty pissed off when he buys the Home edition, only to realize MS sold him XP for a second time. LOL!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
The motherboard is the key. Change that, and your install is toast. "Hello, Microsoft? Yeah, I replaced my motherboard with a new one because my original got fried and I couldn't find the same board to replace it with. What's that, I need to buy a new copy of Vista? That sounds fair.."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The motherboard is the key. Change that, and your install is toast. "Hello, Microsoft? Yeah, I replaced my motherboard with a new one because my original got fried and I couldn't find the same board to replace it with. What's that, I need to buy a new copy of Vista? That sounds fair.."
Sorry, John, but you're clueless on this one. If, as the poster has shown, the activation scheme will be the same as XP then losing a motherboard will not be a problem...I speak from experience here.
"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true." -- Professor Robert Silensky
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
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solution, buy n identical systems, install on one system, activate and create am image. If anything fails on the first system, restore image on second. Since the system was identical except maybe MAC address of system(which is a minor update), so no reactivation required. Repeat till you run out of all system, them buy another set of m systems, and repeat. With sufficiently high values of n and m; you should be able to work with only 1 copy of Vista ;P
A lot of troubles to anyone what wishes use one original software... I'm happily using one original Windows Server 2003 Enterprise, but in this scenario, of change constantly hardware, in the end probabilly someone will prefer use a pirate system (or Linux)
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
Found this on rage3d: Paul Thurrott reports: Since you can't transfer a copy of Windows that comes with a new PC anyway, less than 10 percent of all Windows licenses are transferable at all. And of those, only a tiny percentage of users have ever tried to even transfer a Windows license once. The only people that really need to do this regularly are hardcore PC enthusiasts who change their machine configurations regularly...And if you do actually have a catastrophic PC failure, you'll be able to transfer your license just as before. The process, as it turns out, hasn't changed at all. The escalation process is exactly the same in Vista, Boettcher told me. You have to call support. It just wasn't clear in Windows XP.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The motherboard is the key. Change that, and your install is toast. "Hello, Microsoft? Yeah, I replaced my motherboard with a new one because my original got fried and I couldn't find the same board to replace it with. What's that, I need to buy a new copy of Vista? That sounds fair.."
Sorry, John, but you're clueless on this one. If, as the poster has shown, the activation scheme will be the same as XP then losing a motherboard will not be a problem...I speak from experience here.
"We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true." -- Professor Robert Silensky
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Found this on rage3d: Paul Thurrott reports: Since you can't transfer a copy of Windows that comes with a new PC anyway, less than 10 percent of all Windows licenses are transferable at all. And of those, only a tiny percentage of users have ever tried to even transfer a Windows license once. The only people that really need to do this regularly are hardcore PC enthusiasts who change their machine configurations regularly...And if you do actually have a catastrophic PC failure, you'll be able to transfer your license just as before. The process, as it turns out, hasn't changed at all. The escalation process is exactly the same in Vista, Boettcher told me. You have to call support. It just wasn't clear in Windows XP.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The only people that really need to do this regularly are hardcore PC enthusiasts who change their machine configurations regularly.
Well, that's true. But what about those people, are they SOL or do they just have to call MS support and go on their way? (I believe it's the latter which is, as far as I understand it, the same as XP is currently. Are there many people who are frustrated with XP's activation policies?)
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
GDavy wrote:
Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
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GDavy wrote:
Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
Exactly, Last time I tried was when I switched video cards and my Office 2003 stoped working. Gave up after 45 minuets on long distance hold and used the second copy I had intended to put on my son's box. Next time I throw them out and use the copy of 2000 that I luckily have kept. My hard drive is dying and a new drive is in the mail now. So this could be soon.
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Honestly? I'm not worried about it. This all sounds like the hysteria around XP before it was released, and that was pretty much a non issue.
Do you remember the community burnings before VS2005 and the new MSDN levels were released? Deja vu, anyone? :rolleyes:
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Honestly? I'm not worried about it. This all sounds like the hysteria around XP before it was released, and that was pretty much a non issue.
My thoughts exactly! Every time Microsoft releases a new OS, there is a round of developers pounding their chests and claiming they'll never upgrade and that it's all unfair, blah, blah, blah.
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GDavy wrote:
Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistHmm, I have. My original Intellimouse failed and they replaced it twice under warranty without a problem. My other contacts with Microsoft support have been among my best technical support calls ever. (Try calling the phone company, specifically T-Mobile.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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GDavy wrote:
Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
I never found "contacting Microsoft" for any reason particulary "easy".
Amen! My hearing isn't all that good and the international phone lines to that they use for activation problems are never all that good, so couple that with a heavy accent and I have to stay on the phone for 15 minutes trying to get the number right (has happened multiple times). Of course, the whole "Okay tell us the generated key so we can give you your activation code" automated business... Ludicrous. I'm told to call some phone line after I have had to reinstall due to some problem and then I have to repeat this number twice, once for the phone system and once for the person. Last time I activated after my Gigabyte motherboard popped 3 capacitors (turns out I had one of the motherboards that had the bad capacitor filling). It was quite nightmarish and left me starting to agree with all of the MS haters from my previous position of not caring one way or the other.
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Some of the previous threads regarding Licencing and activation on Vista got me worried there (and not just me from the response these threads got). I started looking arround on the Microsoft webpage and found these answers: Activation myths[^] Product Activation provides two methods to activate: Internet and telephone. So just like XP if you don`t have an internet connection, a phone call will do... Actually the licence itself mentioned the ability to manually activate Vista via a phone call.The Windows Vista Licence[^] Another thing, changing hardware needs a new licence... "Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another confirmation ID." So from what I understand you might need to reactivate Vista, but no need for a new licence is required In one of the previous Vista threads someone mentioned that the Software was bought and he/she could do anything with it he wished. Unfortunatly for him the licence states: "SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. " etc... And finally you may move your licence to only one other device than the device you originally installed it on. For me personally that`s not a big issue since I change PC`s every 4 to 5 y
GDavy wrote:
use the same licence for 8+ years
Just in time for Vista SP1 :) :rolleyes:
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