Oh Wesley...
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He should have joined a terrorist organization first - that way at least there would have been some debate about the government's authority to investigate his financial records. :~
Thank God for disproportional force.
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I guess he'll be doing a prison movie next. Maybe he can assign the rights to the IRS and avoid serious time. :-D Of course, maybe he's innocent. Then he can do a conspiracy movie.
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I guess he'll be doing a prison movie next. Maybe he can assign the rights to the IRS and avoid serious time. :-D Of course, maybe he's innocent. Then he can do a conspiracy movie.
mitchell50 wrote:
Of course, maybe he's innocent.
After reading the article, it seems strange that they would charge him directly. Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail). Unless they have hard evidence that he deliberately conspired with the accountants to make sure the taxes were done fraudulently. Of course, he could always challenge the legality of an income tax to begin with ... in which case, it would be interesting to see how the Supreme Court would rule on it (if/when it got that far).
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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mitchell50 wrote:
Of course, maybe he's innocent.
After reading the article, it seems strange that they would charge him directly. Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail). Unless they have hard evidence that he deliberately conspired with the accountants to make sure the taxes were done fraudulently. Of course, he could always challenge the legality of an income tax to begin with ... in which case, it would be interesting to see how the Supreme Court would rule on it (if/when it got that far).
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
The IRS has to prove intent to defraud. Of course, Wesly is still personally responsible for reporting income but an accountant does provide some insulation against the "fraud" part of it. Unless they can show he willfully failed to report income or knowingly overreported expenses/deductions, he'll have to do the conspiracy movie. BTW, the legallity of paying income taxes has been challenged in pretty much every court in the land, mostly by John Birchers (no offense) and polygamists. I don't know anyone who won. I don't think Wesley fits into either of these categories but I don't know for sure. I do know a few people doing time for "removing themselves from the monetary system". Somebody once said something about "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's ..."; probably good advice. Also, don't try making the check out to "the dirty bloodsucking bast**ds at the internal revenue service". They won't cash it but will hit you with a penalty for late payment.;) Still, wouldn't it be cool if they did cash it?
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The IRS has to prove intent to defraud. Of course, Wesly is still personally responsible for reporting income but an accountant does provide some insulation against the "fraud" part of it. Unless they can show he willfully failed to report income or knowingly overreported expenses/deductions, he'll have to do the conspiracy movie. BTW, the legallity of paying income taxes has been challenged in pretty much every court in the land, mostly by John Birchers (no offense) and polygamists. I don't know anyone who won. I don't think Wesley fits into either of these categories but I don't know for sure. I do know a few people doing time for "removing themselves from the monetary system". Somebody once said something about "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's ..."; probably good advice. Also, don't try making the check out to "the dirty bloodsucking bast**ds at the internal revenue service". They won't cash it but will hit you with a penalty for late payment.;) Still, wouldn't it be cool if they did cash it?
mitchell50 wrote:
the legallity of paying income taxes has been challenged in pretty much every court in the land
do you know if it has ever been heard by the Supreme Court? The reason for the question: the enabling legislation says, "the Secretary of the Treasury shall assess and you shall pay....." and, by law as best I know, you aren't required to file a return unless you are contesting the assessment. This is supported by the IRS fine structure that fines you for a late return, a fraudulent return but not for not filing. Overall the income tax process is one of voluntary compliance. filling out a return and you are essentially testifying against yourself.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
In fact, I note he's not saying *anything*, they can't even find him....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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In fact, I note he's not saying *anything*, they can't even find him....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
LOL I wonder if he has fled the country. Truth be told if I was in in his situation I would. I wonder if his assets have been frozen or siezed.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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mitchell50 wrote:
the legallity of paying income taxes has been challenged in pretty much every court in the land
do you know if it has ever been heard by the Supreme Court? The reason for the question: the enabling legislation says, "the Secretary of the Treasury shall assess and you shall pay....." and, by law as best I know, you aren't required to file a return unless you are contesting the assessment. This is supported by the IRS fine structure that fines you for a late return, a fraudulent return but not for not filing. Overall the income tax process is one of voluntary compliance. filling out a return and you are essentially testifying against yourself.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Begining with the 16th amendment, many court cases have been tried regarding the constitutionality and definition of "direct" v. "indirect" taxation. This amendment was in direct response to an 1895 case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co whereby the court felt that taxation on the income derived from a business transaction was "direct", and therefore unconstitutional. Subsequent to that, numerous challenges have been raised, some of which affected regulatory issues but none have overturned the 16th amendment which grants the government the right to levy tax on income without respect to apportionment. It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues if they exceed certain amounts or meet certain rules that don't directly conflict with other constitutional rights. Here's the kicker: it ISN'T illegal to not PAY the taxes. In other words, you can file but not pay and you're OK! (Except that the IRS can come collecting.) In that sense, it is voluntary. As for the issue of testifying against yourself, there are several safeguards in place including tax court and numerous IRS rules that make it unlikely you will actually testify against yourself in a criminal action. The IRS still has to prove intent to make it criminal. The fifth amendment applies to criminal procedings against the witness that are pending or contemplated. That's why Perry Mason won almost all of his cases. He got the criminal to testify against themselves. Perfectly legal. Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose, I don't recommend "opting out" of the system. Intentionally failing to report is criminal. If you don't file, then the IRS can simply assess a tax and penalties. If you pay that, well, then maybe you're OK. The problem with that is they usually think you owe them more than you actually do. While I hate the level of taxation we face, I doubt anyone will be successful at proving they don't have to pay. Thousands have tried. It would be better to get government to change the tax system. In other words, campaign and vote.:-D
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Begining with the 16th amendment, many court cases have been tried regarding the constitutionality and definition of "direct" v. "indirect" taxation. This amendment was in direct response to an 1895 case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co whereby the court felt that taxation on the income derived from a business transaction was "direct", and therefore unconstitutional. Subsequent to that, numerous challenges have been raised, some of which affected regulatory issues but none have overturned the 16th amendment which grants the government the right to levy tax on income without respect to apportionment. It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues if they exceed certain amounts or meet certain rules that don't directly conflict with other constitutional rights. Here's the kicker: it ISN'T illegal to not PAY the taxes. In other words, you can file but not pay and you're OK! (Except that the IRS can come collecting.) In that sense, it is voluntary. As for the issue of testifying against yourself, there are several safeguards in place including tax court and numerous IRS rules that make it unlikely you will actually testify against yourself in a criminal action. The IRS still has to prove intent to make it criminal. The fifth amendment applies to criminal procedings against the witness that are pending or contemplated. That's why Perry Mason won almost all of his cases. He got the criminal to testify against themselves. Perfectly legal. Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose, I don't recommend "opting out" of the system. Intentionally failing to report is criminal. If you don't file, then the IRS can simply assess a tax and penalties. If you pay that, well, then maybe you're OK. The problem with that is they usually think you owe them more than you actually do. While I hate the level of taxation we face, I doubt anyone will be successful at proving they don't have to pay. Thousands have tried. It would be better to get government to change the tax system. In other words, campaign and vote.:-D
mitchell50 wrote:
It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues
I believe, but I am not certain, that there is no legislation that makes it illegal. I'm working from memory here (never safe, at least not for me) but I believe the illegality is an administrative or procedural thing (akin to draining a swamp on your property without getting all sorts of approvals).
mitchell50 wrote:
As for the issue of testifying against yourself
I agree, pretty much, but the minute you sign a return I believe you're testifying against yourself.
mitchell50 wrote:
Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose
not me and not by myself. however I have always wanted to explore just what would happen if half of the real taxpayers joined together and said, "bullshit". The IRS would spin so hard, so fast they'd drill themselves into the earth's core.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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mitchell50 wrote:
It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues
I believe, but I am not certain, that there is no legislation that makes it illegal. I'm working from memory here (never safe, at least not for me) but I believe the illegality is an administrative or procedural thing (akin to draining a swamp on your property without getting all sorts of approvals).
mitchell50 wrote:
As for the issue of testifying against yourself
I agree, pretty much, but the minute you sign a return I believe you're testifying against yourself.
mitchell50 wrote:
Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose
not me and not by myself. however I have always wanted to explore just what would happen if half of the real taxpayers joined together and said, "bullshit". The IRS would spin so hard, so fast they'd drill themselves into the earth's core.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
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mitchell50 wrote:
Of course, maybe he's innocent.
After reading the article, it seems strange that they would charge him directly. Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail). Unless they have hard evidence that he deliberately conspired with the accountants to make sure the taxes were done fraudulently. Of course, he could always challenge the legality of an income tax to begin with ... in which case, it would be interesting to see how the Supreme Court would rule on it (if/when it got that far).
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Zac Howland wrote:
Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail).
Actually, no matter who prepares your taxes, you're still responsible for them being done correctly. You sign the return stating under penalty of perjury yada yada that it's correct. An accountant may chose to indemnify you against their errors but that varies. On an even stanger note, if you call the IRS and ask for advice from their personnel, get the wrong advice, use it, get caught, you're still the one on the hook. The IRS won't let you off because they told you wrong.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Chris Austin wrote:
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
When your primary recreational pursuit is to stir up ill-will, then sure it is necessary.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much
consider all taxes, state / federal / local / sales / etc.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
mitchell50 wrote:
there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley
let me know if you bump into Wes, then we can start the movement.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes
Really ? Damn. I'm paid out of Texas for some work, I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Richard Stringer wrote:
you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes
Really ? Damn. I'm paid out of Texas for some work, I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Get a post office box and bank account in Texas. Have the PO box be your address, address for bank records, then have you checks direct deposited into the Texas bank account. Then use a bank debit card to draw out money or use the bank's on-line system to transfer funds.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.