Oh Wesley...
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
In fact, I note he's not saying *anything*, they can't even find him....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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In fact, I note he's not saying *anything*, they can't even find him....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
LOL I wonder if he has fled the country. Truth be told if I was in in his situation I would. I wonder if his assets have been frozen or siezed.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
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mitchell50 wrote:
the legallity of paying income taxes has been challenged in pretty much every court in the land
do you know if it has ever been heard by the Supreme Court? The reason for the question: the enabling legislation says, "the Secretary of the Treasury shall assess and you shall pay....." and, by law as best I know, you aren't required to file a return unless you are contesting the assessment. This is supported by the IRS fine structure that fines you for a late return, a fraudulent return but not for not filing. Overall the income tax process is one of voluntary compliance. filling out a return and you are essentially testifying against yourself.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Begining with the 16th amendment, many court cases have been tried regarding the constitutionality and definition of "direct" v. "indirect" taxation. This amendment was in direct response to an 1895 case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co whereby the court felt that taxation on the income derived from a business transaction was "direct", and therefore unconstitutional. Subsequent to that, numerous challenges have been raised, some of which affected regulatory issues but none have overturned the 16th amendment which grants the government the right to levy tax on income without respect to apportionment. It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues if they exceed certain amounts or meet certain rules that don't directly conflict with other constitutional rights. Here's the kicker: it ISN'T illegal to not PAY the taxes. In other words, you can file but not pay and you're OK! (Except that the IRS can come collecting.) In that sense, it is voluntary. As for the issue of testifying against yourself, there are several safeguards in place including tax court and numerous IRS rules that make it unlikely you will actually testify against yourself in a criminal action. The IRS still has to prove intent to make it criminal. The fifth amendment applies to criminal procedings against the witness that are pending or contemplated. That's why Perry Mason won almost all of his cases. He got the criminal to testify against themselves. Perfectly legal. Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose, I don't recommend "opting out" of the system. Intentionally failing to report is criminal. If you don't file, then the IRS can simply assess a tax and penalties. If you pay that, well, then maybe you're OK. The problem with that is they usually think you owe them more than you actually do. While I hate the level of taxation we face, I doubt anyone will be successful at proving they don't have to pay. Thousands have tried. It would be better to get government to change the tax system. In other words, campaign and vote.:-D
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Begining with the 16th amendment, many court cases have been tried regarding the constitutionality and definition of "direct" v. "indirect" taxation. This amendment was in direct response to an 1895 case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co whereby the court felt that taxation on the income derived from a business transaction was "direct", and therefore unconstitutional. Subsequent to that, numerous challenges have been raised, some of which affected regulatory issues but none have overturned the 16th amendment which grants the government the right to levy tax on income without respect to apportionment. It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues if they exceed certain amounts or meet certain rules that don't directly conflict with other constitutional rights. Here's the kicker: it ISN'T illegal to not PAY the taxes. In other words, you can file but not pay and you're OK! (Except that the IRS can come collecting.) In that sense, it is voluntary. As for the issue of testifying against yourself, there are several safeguards in place including tax court and numerous IRS rules that make it unlikely you will actually testify against yourself in a criminal action. The IRS still has to prove intent to make it criminal. The fifth amendment applies to criminal procedings against the witness that are pending or contemplated. That's why Perry Mason won almost all of his cases. He got the criminal to testify against themselves. Perfectly legal. Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose, I don't recommend "opting out" of the system. Intentionally failing to report is criminal. If you don't file, then the IRS can simply assess a tax and penalties. If you pay that, well, then maybe you're OK. The problem with that is they usually think you owe them more than you actually do. While I hate the level of taxation we face, I doubt anyone will be successful at proving they don't have to pay. Thousands have tried. It would be better to get government to change the tax system. In other words, campaign and vote.:-D
mitchell50 wrote:
It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues
I believe, but I am not certain, that there is no legislation that makes it illegal. I'm working from memory here (never safe, at least not for me) but I believe the illegality is an administrative or procedural thing (akin to draining a swamp on your property without getting all sorts of approvals).
mitchell50 wrote:
As for the issue of testifying against yourself
I agree, pretty much, but the minute you sign a return I believe you're testifying against yourself.
mitchell50 wrote:
Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose
not me and not by myself. however I have always wanted to explore just what would happen if half of the real taxpayers joined together and said, "bullshit". The IRS would spin so hard, so fast they'd drill themselves into the earth's core.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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mitchell50 wrote:
It is illegal to NOT file a tax return to report revenues
I believe, but I am not certain, that there is no legislation that makes it illegal. I'm working from memory here (never safe, at least not for me) but I believe the illegality is an administrative or procedural thing (akin to draining a swamp on your property without getting all sorts of approvals).
mitchell50 wrote:
As for the issue of testifying against yourself
I agree, pretty much, but the minute you sign a return I believe you're testifying against yourself.
mitchell50 wrote:
Anyway, unless you're up for a huge, expensive, lengthy battle that you will eventually lose
not me and not by myself. however I have always wanted to explore just what would happen if half of the real taxpayers joined together and said, "bullshit". The IRS would spin so hard, so fast they'd drill themselves into the earth's core.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
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mitchell50 wrote:
Of course, maybe he's innocent.
After reading the article, it seems strange that they would charge him directly. Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail). Unless they have hard evidence that he deliberately conspired with the accountants to make sure the taxes were done fraudulently. Of course, he could always challenge the legality of an income tax to begin with ... in which case, it would be interesting to see how the Supreme Court would rule on it (if/when it got that far).
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Zac Howland wrote:
Typically, when you have an accountant do your taxes, they take the liability for making sure they are done correctly (if they screw up, they go to jail).
Actually, no matter who prepares your taxes, you're still responsible for them being done correctly. You sign the return stating under penalty of perjury yada yada that it's correct. An accountant may chose to indemnify you against their errors but that varies. On an even stanger note, if you call the IRS and ask for advice from their personnel, get the wrong advice, use it, get caught, you're still the one on the hook. The IRS won't let you off because they told you wrong.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
First, what is it you want us to pay taxes for? Tell me what I get and perhaps I’ll buy it. -Manuel O’Kelly, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Chris Austin wrote:
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
When your primary recreational pursuit is to stir up ill-will, then sure it is necessary.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much
consider all taxes, state / federal / local / sales / etc.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Well, if you want to start a revolt against taxes, there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley. As I recall, slavery begins when a lord extracts more than half your earnings. I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%! The only reason tax freedom day is April 26th is that people cheat on their taxes and the study dosen't count the rest. How do we go about getting half the tax payers to revolt? I don't think the IRS will much care but the politicians will.
mitchell50 wrote:
there are two of us - maybe three with Wesley
let me know if you bump into Wes, then we can start the movement.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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mitchell50 wrote:
I'm practicing my "yes mi lord" 'cause they're taking more than 50%!
Just what income bracket are you in ? I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much and my accountant is honest as heck when calculating my taxes. I have monies from investments and savings as well as income from my work ( self employeed as far as the IRS is concerned ) so I pay the self employment tax as well. I stuff all I can into a SEP account and a 401 but that doesn't do a whole lot of good when your income exceeds a certain amount. If you are combining State taxes as well as Federal then you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes. Richard - waiting to win the lottery so I can go into semi-retirement - maybe
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes
Really ? Damn. I'm paid out of Texas for some work, I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Richard Stringer wrote:
you can vote with your feet and move to one of them real nice places like Texas which as no income tax - but they eat you alive on property taxes
Really ? Damn. I'm paid out of Texas for some work, I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Get a post office box and bank account in Texas. Have the PO box be your address, address for bank records, then have you checks direct deposited into the Texas bank account. Then use a bank debit card to draw out money or use the bank's on-line system to transfer funds.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Was this part necassary? I don't rember seeing anything in the artice where Snipes et all claimed it was a case of racism.
When your primary recreational pursuit is to stir up ill-will, then sure it is necessary.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
John Carson wrote:
When your primary recreational pursuit is to stir up ill-will, then sure it is necessary.
Only someone with ill-intentions could possibly see ill-will in that.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
$12M in tax fraud is called "keeping the brother down"? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Red Stateler wrote:
Why's the man always tryin' to keep a brotha down?
$12M in tax fraud is called "keeping the brother down"? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithShaft decrees it thus and thus it shall remain.
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Richard Stringer wrote:
I make well into the 6 figures and I don't pay near that much
consider all taxes, state / federal / local / sales / etc.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
consider all taxes, state / federal / local / sales / etc.
Well the majority of my tax burden is Federal. We have no State tax in Texas. We have a pretty large property tax but it is reducible by getting a homestead exemption. For example on a 100,000 home in Dallas you would pay about 2900 a year in property tax. The homestead exemption reduced that to around 1900. Sales taxes vary from town to town, In Dallas we pay a little over 7%. But many items are exempt from sales taxes. I estimate that my total tax burden is around 40% with that FIC taking up most of that. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
consider all taxes, state / federal / local / sales / etc.
Well the majority of my tax burden is Federal. We have no State tax in Texas. We have a pretty large property tax but it is reducible by getting a homestead exemption. For example on a 100,000 home in Dallas you would pay about 2900 a year in property tax. The homestead exemption reduced that to around 1900. Sales taxes vary from town to town, In Dallas we pay a little over 7%. But many items are exempt from sales taxes. I estimate that my total tax burden is around 40% with that FIC taking up most of that. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
For example on a 100,000 home in Dallas you would pay about 2900 a year in property tax
I know. I used to have a small rental in Garland ( roughly a 75,000 property ) and between Dallas County, Parkland and GISD taxes it cost me 2,400 per year.
Richard Stringer wrote:
In Dallas we pay a little over 7%
Of course you've gotten the hi-5 and the rail that'll take you from Plano to Ft. Worth. I agree, re: the 40% total, if in Texas. Indiana costs me a little more because of state (and for God's sake, county) income tax. My wife makes a decent income as well and we pay thru the nose.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I wonder if I can pay tax in Texas...
Get a post office box and bank account in Texas. Have the PO box be your address, address for bank records, then have you checks direct deposited into the Texas bank account. Then use a bank debit card to draw out money or use the bank's on-line system to transfer funds.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Sounds like a Texan scam e-mail... :-D
-- Presented in BC [Brain Control] where available
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John Carson wrote:
When your primary recreational pursuit is to stir up ill-will, then sure it is necessary.
Only someone with ill-intentions could possibly see ill-will in that.
No, you have made that pretty clear, all by yourself. There is no other explanation for half of the drivel you post here. Technically, the reason could be that you're a idiot (in medical terms). But since you seem to have a proper vocabulary, it would seem that you have at least an average IQ, which means only one thing: You're an idiot wannabe. :)
-- Deciphered from crop circles
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Sounds like a Texan scam e-mail... :-D
-- Presented in BC [Brain Control] where available
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Sounds like a Texan scam e-mail...
ya, learned it from the Nigerians. I actually know someone who did something similar to this in the late 70s / early 80s. They relocated to Mass. from Texas for a 3 year assignment. They maintained their Texas existence and avoided Mass. state income taxes.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.