Which laptop should I choose?
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peterchen wrote:
(1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture?
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
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k. i patent air. sue me if u want.;P
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peterchen wrote:
(1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture?
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
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Dario Solera wrote:
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
Actually it comes from suits filed over AMD's use of the 386 and 486 numbers. Prior to the Pentium (another trademark), Intel and motorola used number sequences for their chips. Everyone might recall the 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486 numbers. Around the of the 8086 there were other chips, but they used non competing number schemes (V20 springs to mind). But AMD and Cyrex both introduced 386 number cores to compete with Intel. Intel filed suit claiming that they had an trademark on the number because it was commonly associated with their product. Intel & 386[^] But in the end, Intel lost, per se. Cyrex really lost because it turned out they had reverse engineered some technology, although it was quickly replaced, they were hurt badly by the suits. AMD, however, faired well. The judge finally ruled that Intel could not claim a "number" as a trademark. As a result, Intel introduced its upcoming chip, internally numbered 80586 as "The Pentium" and trade-marked the name. Since then, Intel has been careful to switch over uses of internal names and finaly product names as trademarked words. As the Pentium lasted 4 generations with associated "editions" now "Core" will be the new trademarked name. Core, Core2, Core 2 Duo all will be trademarked because they include a "name" that can be associated with a product, not "just" a number.
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Hi everyone, Long time lurker, very infrequent poster here. OK, so here is what I want to ask you knowledgeable folks. I am thinking of buying a laptop, and was wondering which one to choose. I came across these two on the Dell India site, and can't decide which one would be better. - this[^] OR this[^] And why? Apart from the price difference (the lower priced one is the one I would prefer, if there isn't much practical difference between the two of them), what else is different? I don't know much about hardware and stuff, so please excuse my complete ignorance and the stupid questions. I would be using it mainly for my web dev work when I am on the move, and maybe some word processing. And some surfing, of course. Here are the differences that I noticed: 1. One of them has Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83GHz, 667 FSB, 2MB Cache) and the other has Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB). Are they much different, and would it matter to me (given what I said about how I am going to use it)? 2. One of them has a 12.1" Wide Screen XGA display with TrueLifeTM (1280x800 res.) monitor and the other one has 15.4" Wide Screen XGA TFT Display (1280x800 res.) monitor. How are they different, and would it matter to me (apart from the fact that the bigger screen would perhaps be easier on the eyes)? 3. One of them comes with a free upgrade of memory from 512MB to 1028MB plus a free upgrade to a DVD burner, and the other one with a cash discount of Rs 7000 (about 155 US Dollars). The displayed price is the amount I would be paying, after discounts etc (not including shipping and taxes). While the memory upgrade is useful, I don't really need the DVD burner. Both also have the option of customization, and I am thinking of upgrading to Win XP Professional, and also upgrading the memory to 1028MB in case I choose the one without the free upgrade. Any other upgrades/customization that you recommend? Cost is important, and I woul
smaaaart wrote:
and not just buy things for the coolness factor.
There are people who do that? :omg: Seriously though... I would still go with the Core2 Duo. As others have mentioned it is not that any one program is going to be written to handle both cores, very few programs do this efficiently. But in a multiple window environment you will "feel" both cores in response of the system because no one windowed program can steal all the processor. Sure you can hyperthread, and prevent any code from having more than half your processor, but why split when you can double? In the end it comes down to how much money too. Latest tech is a little more expensive, but you are not talking top of the line tech, so you are saving a bunch by not trying for the fastest chip on the market. Core2 duo will hold its life a little better. As programs expand into dual core options/advantages, a single processor machine will age rapidly until it is difficult to work with. All technology ages rapidly, but one is starting one generation older. I would stay with the current generation (Core2), but not take the highest end products which cost the most. It is a balance of future need vs. current need, and I think the Core2 holds that balance better. JMHO though... Jeff
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smaaaart wrote:
and not just buy things for the coolness factor.
There are people who do that? :omg: Seriously though... I would still go with the Core2 Duo. As others have mentioned it is not that any one program is going to be written to handle both cores, very few programs do this efficiently. But in a multiple window environment you will "feel" both cores in response of the system because no one windowed program can steal all the processor. Sure you can hyperthread, and prevent any code from having more than half your processor, but why split when you can double? In the end it comes down to how much money too. Latest tech is a little more expensive, but you are not talking top of the line tech, so you are saving a bunch by not trying for the fastest chip on the market. Core2 duo will hold its life a little better. As programs expand into dual core options/advantages, a single processor machine will age rapidly until it is difficult to work with. All technology ages rapidly, but one is starting one generation older. I would stay with the current generation (Core2), but not take the highest end products which cost the most. It is a balance of future need vs. current need, and I think the Core2 holds that balance better. JMHO though... Jeff
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Great points, thanks a lot!
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
There are people who do that? :omg:
If I had more money to play with, I would be all for coolness myself. However, I have a limited budget unfortunately. Thanks again for the great advice. You are awesome. :-D
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Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB) Dell Recommends Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T7200 (2GHz, 667 FSB, 4MB Cache) Dell Recommends Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T7400 (2.16GHz, 667 FSB, 4MB Cache) (1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture? :wtf: (2) How to turn a text into a nightmare for everybody involved? Tech Spec with legal gibberish!
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Great points, thanks a lot!
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
There are people who do that? :omg:
If I had more money to play with, I would be all for coolness myself. However, I have a limited budget unfortunately. Thanks again for the great advice. You are awesome. :-D
smaaaart wrote:
If I had more money to play with
hehehe, you obviously didn't peek at my profile and the list of computers at work.... ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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smaaaart wrote:
If I had more money to play with
hehehe, you obviously didn't peek at my profile and the list of computers at work.... ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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peterchen wrote:
(1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture?
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
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Inventions that are: Novel or New Nonobvious - This means an invention must be sufficiently different. For example, the substitution of one material for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable. So even if the invention you seek to patent has not exactly been made before, if the differences between it and the next similar thing already known are too obvious (too close to being the same) your patent will be refused. Inventions which are useful. Your gadget must do something and serve some practical purpose. And it must be able to perform its declared purpose.
"When I get a little money, I buy books and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." --Erasmus
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smaaaart wrote:
If jealousy could kill,
never be jealous, all things come with a cost. Nothing comes for free. Work takes much of my private life.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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peterchen wrote:
(1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture?
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
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After a number of err... mishaps they are changing the system including from prior art to first filed. This means you can't claim you wrote it in a little book noone saw, it is based on the first patent applied for which should help cut down the hijacking of patents. Oddly enough the way its' already done in europe :)
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Hi everyone, Long time lurker, very infrequent poster here. OK, so here is what I want to ask you knowledgeable folks. I am thinking of buying a laptop, and was wondering which one to choose. I came across these two on the Dell India site, and can't decide which one would be better. - this[^] OR this[^] And why? Apart from the price difference (the lower priced one is the one I would prefer, if there isn't much practical difference between the two of them), what else is different? I don't know much about hardware and stuff, so please excuse my complete ignorance and the stupid questions. I would be using it mainly for my web dev work when I am on the move, and maybe some word processing. And some surfing, of course. Here are the differences that I noticed: 1. One of them has Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83GHz, 667 FSB, 2MB Cache) and the other has Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB). Are they much different, and would it matter to me (given what I said about how I am going to use it)? 2. One of them has a 12.1" Wide Screen XGA display with TrueLifeTM (1280x800 res.) monitor and the other one has 15.4" Wide Screen XGA TFT Display (1280x800 res.) monitor. How are they different, and would it matter to me (apart from the fact that the bigger screen would perhaps be easier on the eyes)? 3. One of them comes with a free upgrade of memory from 512MB to 1028MB plus a free upgrade to a DVD burner, and the other one with a cash discount of Rs 7000 (about 155 US Dollars). The displayed price is the amount I would be paying, after discounts etc (not including shipping and taxes). While the memory upgrade is useful, I don't really need the DVD burner. Both also have the option of customization, and I am thinking of upgrading to Win XP Professional, and also upgrading the memory to 1028MB in case I choose the one without the free upgrade. Any other upgrades/customization that you recommend? Cost is important, and I woul
They are not exactly the same type of machines. pay particular attention to screen size & weight requirements you may have, one is a 12 inch small screen ( among the smallest) and the other 15.4 (among the biggest bar the 17 inch monsters). The choice should come down to how mobility, practicality for work etc. small machines tend to be used by ppl who move a lot, exceutives who only use it for mail & excel etc. Bigger wide-screens are generally prefereed by developers who need to have things like visual studio open. Core2 is better than core, but not such a big issue, the 6400 will probably sport the core2 soon.
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Hi everyone, Long time lurker, very infrequent poster here. OK, so here is what I want to ask you knowledgeable folks. I am thinking of buying a laptop, and was wondering which one to choose. I came across these two on the Dell India site, and can't decide which one would be better. - this[^] OR this[^] And why? Apart from the price difference (the lower priced one is the one I would prefer, if there isn't much practical difference between the two of them), what else is different? I don't know much about hardware and stuff, so please excuse my complete ignorance and the stupid questions. I would be using it mainly for my web dev work when I am on the move, and maybe some word processing. And some surfing, of course. Here are the differences that I noticed: 1. One of them has Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83GHz, 667 FSB, 2MB Cache) and the other has Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB). Are they much different, and would it matter to me (given what I said about how I am going to use it)? 2. One of them has a 12.1" Wide Screen XGA display with TrueLifeTM (1280x800 res.) monitor and the other one has 15.4" Wide Screen XGA TFT Display (1280x800 res.) monitor. How are they different, and would it matter to me (apart from the fact that the bigger screen would perhaps be easier on the eyes)? 3. One of them comes with a free upgrade of memory from 512MB to 1028MB plus a free upgrade to a DVD burner, and the other one with a cash discount of Rs 7000 (about 155 US Dollars). The displayed price is the amount I would be paying, after discounts etc (not including shipping and taxes). While the memory upgrade is useful, I don't really need the DVD burner. Both also have the option of customization, and I am thinking of upgrading to Win XP Professional, and also upgrading the memory to 1028MB in case I choose the one without the free upgrade. Any other upgrades/customization that you recommend? Cost is important, and I woul
Well, my 2 cents is that if you intend to develop s/w with it, neither one will do the job. But in any event, beware of machines with "shared memory" video and you will not be happy with a 5400 RPM drive. I fell into that trap on my notebook and was forced to give it to my wife because it was just too slow. If you are going to upgrade something, think about upgrading them in addition to 1GB of memory.
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peterchen wrote:
(1) Intel tries to have a trademark on Core? For a processor architecture?
It's because in the US you can patent almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong).
________________________________________________ Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.1 (1.0.6 is out)
Trademark: A name, symbol, or other device identifying a product, officially registered and legally restricted to the use of the owner or manufacturer. Patent: A set of exclusive rights granted by a government to a person for a fixed period of time in exchange for the regulated, public disclosure of certain details of an invention. there is a big difference. Intel has a trademark for the term "Core" as it applies to a class of Processor chips. That gives them a legal basis to prevent other companies from using the same term to describe similar products. Steve
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They are not exactly the same type of machines. pay particular attention to screen size & weight requirements you may have, one is a 12 inch small screen ( among the smallest) and the other 15.4 (among the biggest bar the 17 inch monsters). The choice should come down to how mobility, practicality for work etc. small machines tend to be used by ppl who move a lot, exceutives who only use it for mail & excel etc. Bigger wide-screens are generally prefereed by developers who need to have things like visual studio open. Core2 is better than core, but not such a big issue, the 6400 will probably sport the core2 soon.
Considering that the 6400 says this in the processor section, "Dell Recommends Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T7400 (2.16GHz, 667 FSB, 4MB Cache) " I'd say that Dell is ready to slap that proc in now. :-D I just wish their video card options didn't all include system memory stealing hypermemory. http://www.ati.com/technology/hypermemory.html[^]
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Hi everyone, Long time lurker, very infrequent poster here. OK, so here is what I want to ask you knowledgeable folks. I am thinking of buying a laptop, and was wondering which one to choose. I came across these two on the Dell India site, and can't decide which one would be better. - this[^] OR this[^] And why? Apart from the price difference (the lower priced one is the one I would prefer, if there isn't much practical difference between the two of them), what else is different? I don't know much about hardware and stuff, so please excuse my complete ignorance and the stupid questions. I would be using it mainly for my web dev work when I am on the move, and maybe some word processing. And some surfing, of course. Here are the differences that I noticed: 1. One of them has Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83GHz, 667 FSB, 2MB Cache) and the other has Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB). Are they much different, and would it matter to me (given what I said about how I am going to use it)? 2. One of them has a 12.1" Wide Screen XGA display with TrueLifeTM (1280x800 res.) monitor and the other one has 15.4" Wide Screen XGA TFT Display (1280x800 res.) monitor. How are they different, and would it matter to me (apart from the fact that the bigger screen would perhaps be easier on the eyes)? 3. One of them comes with a free upgrade of memory from 512MB to 1028MB plus a free upgrade to a DVD burner, and the other one with a cash discount of Rs 7000 (about 155 US Dollars). The displayed price is the amount I would be paying, after discounts etc (not including shipping and taxes). While the memory upgrade is useful, I don't really need the DVD burner. Both also have the option of customization, and I am thinking of upgrading to Win XP Professional, and also upgrading the memory to 1028MB in case I choose the one without the free upgrade. Any other upgrades/customization that you recommend? Cost is important, and I woul
Dude, let me tell you only thing in short now. Dell Inspiron is a Crap. :sigh: I just got disappointed with it. Yesterday I was testing one. Yakk... aweful crate. Acer Travel mate rocks, and the ThinkPads too. If you wanna stick to Dell, then go for Latitude series.
Wanted: Good Sig.
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Trademark: A name, symbol, or other device identifying a product, officially registered and legally restricted to the use of the owner or manufacturer. Patent: A set of exclusive rights granted by a government to a person for a fixed period of time in exchange for the regulated, public disclosure of certain details of an invention. there is a big difference. Intel has a trademark for the term "Core" as it applies to a class of Processor chips. That gives them a legal basis to prevent other companies from using the same term to describe similar products. Steve
Ok, now it's clear. Thanks. :)
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Inventions that are: Novel or New Nonobvious - This means an invention must be sufficiently different. For example, the substitution of one material for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable. So even if the invention you seek to patent has not exactly been made before, if the differences between it and the next similar thing already known are too obvious (too close to being the same) your patent will be refused. Inventions which are useful. Your gadget must do something and serve some practical purpose. And it must be able to perform its declared purpose.
"When I get a little money, I buy books and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." --Erasmus
That's the letter of the law, but the patent office is largely funded from the patent applications and the ongoing yearly patent fees to keep a patent active. Therefore it's in their interests not to examine the validity of a patent all that closely. The US government really must do a proper investigation into the USPTO. If nothing else, it's making the US a laughing stock in the rest of the world due to the idiotic patents they're granting.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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After a number of err... mishaps they are changing the system including from prior art to first filed. This means you can't claim you wrote it in a little book noone saw, it is based on the first patent applied for which should help cut down the hijacking of patents. Oddly enough the way its' already done in europe :)
Actually it's that they're changing the rule of who receives a patent, if multiple applications for the same invention are made, from the first invented to the first filed. This allowed someone to pre-empt someone else's patent by claiming they invented it first. Now it's just who gets the paperwork in first. Prior art is common to most patent regimes, and simply means that the inventor should not receive a patent for something that is the same as, or very similar to, an existing invention, whether patented or not. The invention must show an 'inventive step' - a difference from the prior art that is not obvious to someone skilled in the relevant art. Patent offices are generally way too lenient in judging the inventive step.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Actually it's that they're changing the rule of who receives a patent, if multiple applications for the same invention are made, from the first invented to the first filed. This allowed someone to pre-empt someone else's patent by claiming they invented it first. Now it's just who gets the paperwork in first. Prior art is common to most patent regimes, and simply means that the inventor should not receive a patent for something that is the same as, or very similar to, an existing invention, whether patented or not. The invention must show an 'inventive step' - a difference from the prior art that is not obvious to someone skilled in the relevant art. Patent offices are generally way too lenient in judging the inventive step.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Err.. I was at a meeting with our company patent attorney a few weeks ago and he told us about about this. What you described loosely is 'prior art' and 'first to file'. There will be a change on the balance of evidence required which is the point. The inventive step is a separate issue and yes, they have defintiely been to lenent. Remember that patent for an antigravity device that required an infinitely powerfyl energy source? Elaine :rose:
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Hi everyone, Long time lurker, very infrequent poster here. OK, so here is what I want to ask you knowledgeable folks. I am thinking of buying a laptop, and was wondering which one to choose. I came across these two on the Dell India site, and can't decide which one would be better. - this[^] OR this[^] And why? Apart from the price difference (the lower priced one is the one I would prefer, if there isn't much practical difference between the two of them), what else is different? I don't know much about hardware and stuff, so please excuse my complete ignorance and the stupid questions. I would be using it mainly for my web dev work when I am on the move, and maybe some word processing. And some surfing, of course. Here are the differences that I noticed: 1. One of them has Intel® CoreTM 2 Duo Processor T5600 (1.83GHz, 667 FSB, 2MB Cache) and the other has Intel® CoreTM Duo Processor T2300E (2MB Cache, 1.66 GHz, 667MHz FSB). Are they much different, and would it matter to me (given what I said about how I am going to use it)? 2. One of them has a 12.1" Wide Screen XGA display with TrueLifeTM (1280x800 res.) monitor and the other one has 15.4" Wide Screen XGA TFT Display (1280x800 res.) monitor. How are they different, and would it matter to me (apart from the fact that the bigger screen would perhaps be easier on the eyes)? 3. One of them comes with a free upgrade of memory from 512MB to 1028MB plus a free upgrade to a DVD burner, and the other one with a cash discount of Rs 7000 (about 155 US Dollars). The displayed price is the amount I would be paying, after discounts etc (not including shipping and taxes). While the memory upgrade is useful, I don't really need the DVD burner. Both also have the option of customization, and I am thinking of upgrading to Win XP Professional, and also upgrading the memory to 1028MB in case I choose the one without the free upgrade. Any other upgrades/customization that you recommend? Cost is important, and I woul
Not too keen on either of those mate. If you want a good web dev machine then go for a MacBook Pro. Lets you run OS X, Windows and Linux so you get the full range of browser testing done.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.