Soft Boiled Eggs - A question for programmers
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John Cardinal wrote:
Factory eggs
Factory Eggs? WTF is a factory egg? I have yet to see an egg that is made in a factory? Or are you talking about those egg shaped candies that come out around easter time?
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A friend was discussing boiled eggs the other day - being from England he described the state where the white was quite cooked but the yellow still liquid as 'middle in'. Made me wonder if that's where the phrase 'fair to middlin' comes from. Right, we now return to 'Cooking with Marc' :)
> 'fair to middlin' ... That's a blast from the past... I last heard it in the 1980's from my grandfather... whenever someone used to ask him how he was doing, he would say "oh, fair to middlin" (although *I* thought he was saying "fair to midland" -- but perhaps you are correct). In any case, I always wondered what it meant.
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I just use this[^]. No worrying about altitude, finding timers, etc.
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I do that, but it's more because of the crazy psycho drivers around here!
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I'm talking about the very grim type of eggs that come from places like this: http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/hens7.htm[^]
You know, I could try and argue with you about what a pile steaming dung that site, and sites like it, contain. But that would be like arguing religion or politics in the soapbox, totally useless. I work in the industry, I know that there is no way a decent farmer would mistreat his animals. An animal that is not happy is an animal that does not produce to it's full potential. One can always look at a picture of the worst of the worst and if it fits your agenda paint an entire industry with that brush. I have seen pictures of mistreated cats and dogs, so should I assume that all cats and dogs are treated that way? Should cats and dogs be banned from private homes as we cannot trust that people can take care of them? I just wish people would get a real clue about what happens on the farm, rather than believing what they read and see on crap politically biased sites like the one you linked.
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You know, I could try and argue with you about what a pile steaming dung that site, and sites like it, contain. But that would be like arguing religion or politics in the soapbox, totally useless. I work in the industry, I know that there is no way a decent farmer would mistreat his animals. An animal that is not happy is an animal that does not produce to it's full potential. One can always look at a picture of the worst of the worst and if it fits your agenda paint an entire industry with that brush. I have seen pictures of mistreated cats and dogs, so should I assume that all cats and dogs are treated that way? Should cats and dogs be banned from private homes as we cannot trust that people can take care of them? I just wish people would get a real clue about what happens on the farm, rather than believing what they read and see on crap politically biased sites like the one you linked.
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
Heh heh. I understand completely. You'd get no argument from me. I just grabbed the first picture I could find to illustrate my mental concept of a factory egg. Oddly enough I've seen similarly treated chickens on television lately in several programs, and it was incidental to what the program was about and not at all a show with an agenda etc. I have no basis to judge it either way, I've never personally been to an egg producing farm before. If the egg producers want to combat this negative stereotype they should put up web cams of their chickens and pictures of the chickens in their habitat on the cartons. I always buy freerange eggs because the yolks are nicer (they're brighter, the yolk sits up from the egg white properly and you can really tell when you cook with them, a french omelette is so much nicer with good eggs). So I come at it from a food point of view. I wish that the local farmers would make more of an effort to sell locally, at a premium is fine by me if it's better quality. All I can ever find are eggs and milk even though there are hundreds of farms raising all sorts of stuff from veggies to sheep to cattle, pigs etc etc. It's damn near impossible to find any local produce around here. The only way we've discovered is by driving all over hells half acre until you bump into a produce stand that happens to be selling stuff (we've found two out of hundreds of local farms) and when you go in they are selling some of their produce but a lot of stuff in boxes from california etc. It could be such a cool win-win for everyone, but it's done very poorly. I don't know exactly who is to blame but it seems insane to me to be buying bell peppers from Israel when they grow them down the road in acres and acres. At least here on Vancouver Island, don't know about the rest of the world.
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Set it for 6 minutes and stop boiling when 40 seconds remain.
Red Stateler wrote:
Set it for 6 minutes and stop boiling when 40 seconds remain.
Exactly. And it took me two weeks or so to figure that out. :laugh: Marc
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Heh heh. I understand completely. You'd get no argument from me. I just grabbed the first picture I could find to illustrate my mental concept of a factory egg. Oddly enough I've seen similarly treated chickens on television lately in several programs, and it was incidental to what the program was about and not at all a show with an agenda etc. I have no basis to judge it either way, I've never personally been to an egg producing farm before. If the egg producers want to combat this negative stereotype they should put up web cams of their chickens and pictures of the chickens in their habitat on the cartons. I always buy freerange eggs because the yolks are nicer (they're brighter, the yolk sits up from the egg white properly and you can really tell when you cook with them, a french omelette is so much nicer with good eggs). So I come at it from a food point of view. I wish that the local farmers would make more of an effort to sell locally, at a premium is fine by me if it's better quality. All I can ever find are eggs and milk even though there are hundreds of farms raising all sorts of stuff from veggies to sheep to cattle, pigs etc etc. It's damn near impossible to find any local produce around here. The only way we've discovered is by driving all over hells half acre until you bump into a produce stand that happens to be selling stuff (we've found two out of hundreds of local farms) and when you go in they are selling some of their produce but a lot of stuff in boxes from california etc. It could be such a cool win-win for everyone, but it's done very poorly. I don't know exactly who is to blame but it seems insane to me to be buying bell peppers from Israel when they grow them down the road in acres and acres. At least here on Vancouver Island, don't know about the rest of the world.
John Cardinal wrote:
I always buy freerange eggs because the yolks are nicer (they're brighter, the yolk sits up from the egg white properly and you can really tell when you cook with them, a french omelette is so much nicer with good eggs). So I come at it from a food point of view.
I can appreciate that. The main difference in egg yolks is the feed the chickens eat. Free range birds have access to all the insects that run around the yard so that effects the colour and consistancy of the yolks. You may like it, but when commercial growers change the birds diet to reflect what you like the average consumer complains because the yolks are *too* yellow. It is a no win situation. The commercial growers just try to produce the best quality product, for the lowest cost, in the most humane way possible, that fills the market demands.
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John Cardinal wrote:
I always buy freerange eggs because the yolks are nicer (they're brighter, the yolk sits up from the egg white properly and you can really tell when you cook with them, a french omelette is so much nicer with good eggs). So I come at it from a food point of view.
I can appreciate that. The main difference in egg yolks is the feed the chickens eat. Free range birds have access to all the insects that run around the yard so that effects the colour and consistancy of the yolks. You may like it, but when commercial growers change the birds diet to reflect what you like the average consumer complains because the yolks are *too* yellow. It is a no win situation. The commercial growers just try to produce the best quality product, for the lowest cost, in the most humane way possible, that fills the market demands.
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
It's not just the yellowness of it, the fresher an egg is the more defined and separate the yolk is from the white. If you crack it into a bowl the yolk sort of stands up from the white. As the eggs age the yolk slumps more into the white. Same for the free range ones we buy, maybe their just fresher I don't know for sure but they look better, taste better and make a nice gooey , creamy omelette. Maybe I should just get some chickens. ;)
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It's not just the yellowness of it, the fresher an egg is the more defined and separate the yolk is from the white. If you crack it into a bowl the yolk sort of stands up from the white. As the eggs age the yolk slumps more into the white. Same for the free range ones we buy, maybe their just fresher I don't know for sure but they look better, taste better and make a nice gooey , creamy omelette. Maybe I should just get some chickens. ;)
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You know, I could try and argue with you about what a pile steaming dung that site, and sites like it, contain. But that would be like arguing religion or politics in the soapbox, totally useless. I work in the industry, I know that there is no way a decent farmer would mistreat his animals. An animal that is not happy is an animal that does not produce to it's full potential. One can always look at a picture of the worst of the worst and if it fits your agenda paint an entire industry with that brush. I have seen pictures of mistreated cats and dogs, so should I assume that all cats and dogs are treated that way? Should cats and dogs be banned from private homes as we cannot trust that people can take care of them? I just wish people would get a real clue about what happens on the farm, rather than believing what they read and see on crap politically biased sites like the one you linked.
You may be right
I may be crazy
-- Billy Joel --Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
I'm sorry PJ, but battery chickens are not farm animals. That site may be biased, but the fact is that most chickens consumed are not free range chickens and are raised in batteries subject to all sorts of mass production manipulation. I eat chicken, and I most of it probably is battery chicken, and I don't campaign for animal rights because of pictures like that, but to assume that the majority of chickens have farmers that care about there happiness is bordering on infantile naivety.
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I'm sorry PJ, but battery chickens are not farm animals. That site may be biased, but the fact is that most chickens consumed are not free range chickens and are raised in batteries subject to all sorts of mass production manipulation. I eat chicken, and I most of it probably is battery chicken, and I don't campaign for animal rights because of pictures like that, but to assume that the majority of chickens have farmers that care about there happiness is bordering on infantile naivety.
I raise chickens, it is what I do for a living, and I can tell you that you obviously know jack squat about what you are talking about. You really do have to stop believing everything you see on those PETA videos.
Brady Kelly wrote:
to assume that the majority of chickens have farmers that care about there happiness is bordering on infantile naivety.
You know, that is almost hurtful, you, telling me that I do not care for my birds. But argueing with you about it is a waste of my time.:sigh:
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I raise chickens, it is what I do for a living, and I can tell you that you obviously know jack squat about what you are talking about. You really do have to stop believing everything you see on those PETA videos.
Brady Kelly wrote:
to assume that the majority of chickens have farmers that care about there happiness is bordering on infantile naivety.
You know, that is almost hurtful, you, telling me that I do not care for my birds. But argueing with you about it is a waste of my time.:sigh:
You may be right I may be crazy -- Billy Joel -- Within you lies the power for good, use it!!!
I'm sorry if I came across hurtful. I was definitely not talking about you, nor questioning the care you yourself give your birds. I just stated that most chickens raised for mass consumption do not enjoy the care that your's do, and I'm quite sure that most birds raised by farmers enjoy better lives than those raised in batteries.
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John Cardinal wrote:
Maybe I should just get some chickens.
If you got the room I highly recommend it. There is nothing better:)
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I may be crazy
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