How do you choose?
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
I'd say go for the Smaller company. They sound like nicer, easier to work with people allowing you to feel more comfortable working. Plus, they're working with better technologies. I'd go for them! :)
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A choice i had to make : offer 1 : (big company) $$$$$ Do what you are told. Co-workers that are out for them selves (ie. cut throat). Just another project. offer 2 : (small company) $$ I have an equal say in the project ... and when its done up^$$$ Gr8 co-workers that are gr8 to work with. Project that interests me. Needless to say ... I took the offer at the smaller company. But that's just me. Figure out what will make you happy and take it ... AND REMEMBER you might be there a while :-D
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Yearly training is one thing big companies offer that most small companies can't afford. So while you might feel warm & cozy at a small company, in a few years you will have lost ground technically.
Hans Dietrich wrote:
So while you might feel warm & cozy at a small company, in a few years you will have lost ground technically.
They've got these great new things in many cities now. They are called book shops.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
For me, the question wasn't big or small, but public or private. I'm leaving a public company that I've been with 12 years for a private company. The public company definitely had better over-all benefits, but the private company isn't too far off. I'll be making a little more, but for the most part it's quality of life. I'm leaving a mid-size company that acts like it's a large-size company. Management doesn't care for their employees at all (in fact all they care about are shareholders). On the other hand the company I'm at does care about their employees (I've seen this as I've done consulting for them in the past). So when you make you're decision consider more than just the size.
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You're right, I did make my decision. But that was before the big company offer, so now I'm second guessing. I'm just interested in what others would do in my position. But I agree with you; work should be exciting. What good is driving a more expensive car to work if you hate where you're going?
It should really come down to what is important to you right now, and in the foreseeable future. If you absolutely need the security and extra cash, then go with the big company for now. But if you can get by with the lower pay and handle less security, then go with whichever one you enjoy more (sounds like the smaller company). I've never actually taken a job because of higher pay. Actually, every time I've left a job, it was for the same or even less pay, but other factors were more important (closer to home, better environment, more growth potential, etc.) S. I got no sig.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
Easy-- Go Small-- The big boys will always be there and sounds like you can land a job anytime-- the small company may lead you down some exciting paths. Speaking from experience I have spent the last 20 years riding the small company/startup road. It can be scary but it is always exciting and you are usually making a difference-- not just coding a widget :zzz:!! Enjoy !!
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
i was also in a similar situation some time ago big company - more facility - less money small company - less facility - more money how ever money difference was not so big but i joined small company the main reason was this is my first job and i have to learn a lot big company will provide me a training for six months small company want me to work real code from day 1 in big company i would have acted like a cog in the wheel no real responsibility and work experience many things depends on me so greater responsibility more learning it is advisable from me to join a small company in the starting of career bigger companies for later half career as employee :):)
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
Dustin Metzgar wrote:
But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
sounds like you already have chosen.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
I've worked for both big and small in the past. I'm at a small company now and I love it. It is not for everyone but if you're sick of big company problems, try small company problems for awhile. :) I would certainly suggest the small company experience if you ever plan to start your own company some day. Bill W.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
Still cannot decide? Well flip a coin. head = big company tail = small company When the coin lands on the deciding side. Think how your reaction at that moment. Was it a "Oh No!" or "Oh Yeah!" moment. That is the subconscious talking. Hope this help! Cheers, :laugh:
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
Ok, so what did you decide?
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Ok, so what did you decide?
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
Well, I'm glad you asked. I talked with the small company and they raised the base salary a little bit. They don't have the benefits or the bonus structure, but it made me feel better about a choice I had already made (as some people correctly pointed out). I know the small company job will be tougher and will involve more responsibility, but that's what interests me about it. I'd like to say thanks to everyone who responded with their comments. It was valuable to hear opinions on both sides, especially with things I haven't thought of before.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
I have been in this position. When i moved I worked for a small company, then it got sold and I lost my job. Now I work for a big company. A friend of mine went to a small company a few months ago and SUPRISE! no contracts and workforce had to be cutback. Depending how old you are i'd say go with the bigger company as it will have more stability. if you are young and want to take a chance, go for it. But I know 0 for 2 cases of it working out.
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
It's really all about relations since ... 1. Crappy bosses can be at both companies. 2. Incompedent backstabbing colleagues can be at both places unless the boss isn't that crappy. 3. People agree to loose money if their job would become a less hell. 4. Huge problems can find their solution just as easy as small disagreements can get you fired. Both can happen in any company (size doesn't really matter). If you're a MONEY or INCOMPENDENT or BACKSTABBING or A**KISSER or don't mind stepping on others to get more money or hide your incompedence or to stick your tongue farther into your supervisors a**. Then disregard all the above. Seems though you're not that type ...
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
You should remember that all jobs are basically a "try / buy" situation. You are not signing a long term contract like baseball players. No matter what situation you are in, just give 2 weeks notice, and you are free to find another position. With that said, why not give the small company a try? The promise of advancement is much higher in the small company. If you like the small company, make yourself invaluable. This may help you when negotiating that next raise. That is not really an option in the large corporation where you can easily be replaced with little or no impact on the company as a whole.
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Well, I'm glad you asked. I talked with the small company and they raised the base salary a little bit. They don't have the benefits or the bonus structure, but it made me feel better about a choice I had already made (as some people correctly pointed out). I know the small company job will be tougher and will involve more responsibility, but that's what interests me about it. I'd like to say thanks to everyone who responded with their comments. It was valuable to hear opinions on both sides, especially with things I haven't thought of before.
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"This isn't a business. I've always thought of it as a source of cheap labor. Like a family."Very :cool: Congrats on your choice! :)
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You should remember that all jobs are basically a "try / buy" situation. You are not signing a long term contract like baseball players. No matter what situation you are in, just give 2 weeks notice, and you are free to find another position. With that said, why not give the small company a try? The promise of advancement is much higher in the small company. If you like the small company, make yourself invaluable. This may help you when negotiating that next raise. That is not really an option in the large corporation where you can easily be replaced with little or no impact on the company as a whole.
edboe wrote:
You are not signing a long term contract like baseball players.
That would be cool though. 20 mil just to work for a few years. :) And I agree with you, if it doesn't work out I could always go back and try again.
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It's really all about relations since ... 1. Crappy bosses can be at both companies. 2. Incompedent backstabbing colleagues can be at both places unless the boss isn't that crappy. 3. People agree to loose money if their job would become a less hell. 4. Huge problems can find their solution just as easy as small disagreements can get you fired. Both can happen in any company (size doesn't really matter). If you're a MONEY or INCOMPENDENT or BACKSTABBING or A**KISSER or don't mind stepping on others to get more money or hide your incompedence or to stick your tongue farther into your supervisors a**. Then disregard all the above. Seems though you're not that type ...
Sounds like you've had some fun jobs... :)
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Sounds like you've had some fun jobs... :)
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You're faced with two very good job offers. One offer is with a big company, the other is with a small IT shop in a small- to mid-size company. Both offers pay very well, especially for the area you live in, but the big company job pays much higher (potentially 13 grand higher) and has awesome benefits. The small company job won't hire full-time off-the-bat and wants you to go on contract for a few months before they'll commit to a full-time opportunity. The big company is a full-time offer. Both companies will demand a lot of hours, work with new technologies, and will place you on a highly visible team. The small company has some top-notch employees that you'd absolutely love to work with. The big company has some smart guys, but not quite the caliber of the small company's guys. The small company is working with better technologies. The small company does not have much hierarchy and there's no set career ladder to climb up. The big company is as structured as any other big company with plenty of opportunity for advancement. But most of all, the small company job excites you while the big company job is just another big company. You've worked at a few of them and you're getting tired of that scene. How do you choose?
I changed job 7 times in ~15 years. Here is what I learned "the hard way": - jobs in a big company are dreadful, unless you are a born politician; social incompetency is never forgiven. - for me, working in small companies was much better; groups are smaller; your reputation is not always built based on what is your boss opinion on you; I even managed to obtain training - this never happened in the big companies I worked for. - but the best is to work for YOUR OWN company...