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  • D Dustin Metzgar

    I wasn't aware that there were very many programmers that were so confused about SOA.  And business people not understanding the reality behind the buzzwords is nothing new.


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    led mike
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    :laugh::laugh: :laugh::laugh: :laugh::laugh: Wait... that was supposed to be funny right? :confused:

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    • C Chris Losinger

      SOA is a means, SOA is not a methodology, no two are the same soooooo... nope, stil don't know what a SOA is. but that's OK, i don't want to ! it sounds like more management handwaving, to me.

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      Chris Losinger wrote:

      management handwaving

      :badger:

      Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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      • E El Corazon

        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        since I don't have much Active Directory experience

        Darn and I was hoping to draft you here to fix the active directory. ;P

        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

        Darn and I was hoping to draft you here to fix the active directory.

        Ahem, I could *pretend* to fix it. I have a BS in BS. :)

        Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]

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        • C Christopher Duncan

          Chris Losinger wrote:

          management handwaving

          :badger:

          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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          Chris Losinger
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          :jig: - i'm managing! :badger: - me too!

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          • R Raj Lal

            Myths about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) 1. SOA is a technology 2. SOAs require Web Services 3. SOA is new and revolutionary 4. SOA ensures the alignment of IT and business 5. A SOA Reference Architecture reduces implementation risk 6. SOA requires a complete technology and business processes overhaul 7. SOA requires an army of consultants 8. We need to build a SOA Facts 1. SOA is a design philosophy independent of any product, technology or industry trend 2. SOAs may be realized via web services but using web services will not necessarily result in a SOA 3. EDI, CORBA and DCOM were conceptual examples of SO 4. SOA is not a methodology 5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same. 6. SOA should be incremental and built on your current investments 7. Tools, not consultants 8. SOA is a means, not an end Deliver a solution, not a SOA This was somewhat an eye opener to me , since in my company , there had been a lot of discussion of creating a service oriented archtecture * by John Evdemon Architect, Architecture Strategy Microsoft

            Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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            Shog9 0
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            Quartz... wrote:

            5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same.

            I have no idea what that really means, but i like the sound of it...

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            • J Jeremy Falcon

              Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

              Darn and I was hoping to draft you here to fix the active directory.

              Ahem, I could *pretend* to fix it. I have a BS in BS. :)

              Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]

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              El Corazon
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              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

              Ahem, I could *pretend* to fix it. I have a BS in BS.

              Sorry... this is contractor side... you need real qualifications. ;P

              _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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              • C Chris Losinger

                SOA is a means, SOA is not a methodology, no two are the same soooooo... nope, stil don't know what a SOA is. but that's OK, i don't want to ! it sounds like more management handwaving, to me.

                image processing | blogging

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                El Corazon
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                Chris Losinger wrote:

                SOA is a means, SOA is not a methodology, no two are the same

                well.... if you think Strategic Offensive Arms. ;)

                _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                • E El Corazon

                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                  Ahem, I could *pretend* to fix it. I have a BS in BS.

                  Sorry... this is contractor side... you need real qualifications. ;P

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  Jeremy Falcon
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                  Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

                  you need real qualifications.

                  You kiddin? BS can take you to the top, didn't ya know? :-D

                  Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]

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                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                    Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

                    you need real qualifications.

                    You kiddin? BS can take you to the top, didn't ya know? :-D

                    Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]

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                    El Corazon
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                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                    BS can take you to the top, didn't ya know?

                    only if you have a really strong nose and good swimming arms. :laugh:

                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                    • D Dustin Metzgar

                      I wasn't aware that there were very many programmers that were so confused about SOA.  And business people not understanding the reality behind the buzzwords is nothing new.


                      Logifusion[^]
                      "This isn't a business. I've always thought of it as a source of cheap labor. Like a family."

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                      Michael A Barnhart
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                      Dustin Metzgar wrote:

                      I wasn't aware that there were very many programmers that were so confused about SOA.

                      Definitely most programers are confused. This list has been reprinted in various forms for several years and yet people keep on stating SOA components.

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                      • S Shog9 0

                        Quartz... wrote:

                        5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same.

                        I have no idea what that really means, but i like the sound of it...

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                        Chris Losinger
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                        It's a lie. No SOA is special. None of them are beautiful or unique snowflakes. They are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

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                        • S Shog9 0

                          Quartz... wrote:

                          5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same.

                          I have no idea what that really means, but i like the sound of it...

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                          Lost User
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                          It melts in the heat of a user's anger? :rolleyes:

                          The tigress is here :-D

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                          • R Raj Lal

                            Great there is a brilliant book on SOA by Thomas Erl Here[^] which i am hooked to right now . What other resources you found useful in your implementation ?

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                            Michael A Barnhart
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                            A book I found to be well written that explains why the concepts are important is Document Engineering[^] I am still being told our integration concepts are JAVA :mad: by our local experts.

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                            • R Raj Lal

                              Myths about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) 1. SOA is a technology 2. SOAs require Web Services 3. SOA is new and revolutionary 4. SOA ensures the alignment of IT and business 5. A SOA Reference Architecture reduces implementation risk 6. SOA requires a complete technology and business processes overhaul 7. SOA requires an army of consultants 8. We need to build a SOA Facts 1. SOA is a design philosophy independent of any product, technology or industry trend 2. SOAs may be realized via web services but using web services will not necessarily result in a SOA 3. EDI, CORBA and DCOM were conceptual examples of SO 4. SOA is not a methodology 5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same. 6. SOA should be incremental and built on your current investments 7. Tools, not consultants 8. SOA is a means, not an end Deliver a solution, not a SOA This was somewhat an eye opener to me , since in my company , there had been a lot of discussion of creating a service oriented archtecture * by John Evdemon Architect, Architecture Strategy Microsoft

                              Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                              Web based Project Management
                              Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | Globalization in 20 minutes

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              So exactly what is SOA anyways? Is there something about it I should know? For example, I have a client app that talks to a bill acceptor and a touch panel via USB. I implemented those as services. There's other services in my app too? Does that make it SOA? Isn't anything that communicates between an application and a "service", via some defined interface using some defined protocol, an SOA? Marc

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                              People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                              There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                              People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                Quartz... wrote:

                                5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same.

                                I have no idea what that really means, but i like the sound of it...

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                                Raj Lal
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                                Shog9 wrote:

                                SOAs are like snowflakes

                                thats definetly a beautiful description

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  So exactly what is SOA anyways? Is there something about it I should know? For example, I have a client app that talks to a bill acceptor and a touch panel via USB. I implemented those as services. There's other services in my app too? Does that make it SOA? Isn't anything that communicates between an application and a "service", via some defined interface using some defined protocol, an SOA? Marc

                                  Thyme In The Country

                                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                  Raj Lal
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                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  So exactly what is SOA anyways

                                  Well SOA can be seen as the conceptualization of software as a service John Evdemon says its an Expose, Compose and Consume model here[^] is the keynote You might get some more answers here[^] and here[^]

                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  Isn't anything that communicates between an application and a "service", via some defined interface using some defined protocol, an SOA?

                                  IMHO i think a service oriented is more of a , when two or more services communicates or have the ability to communicate via standard protocols. An application - Service communication is also a part of SOA

                                  Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                                  Web based Project Management
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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    So exactly what is SOA anyways? Is there something about it I should know? For example, I have a client app that talks to a bill acceptor and a touch panel via USB. I implemented those as services. There's other services in my app too? Does that make it SOA? Isn't anything that communicates between an application and a "service", via some defined interface using some defined protocol, an SOA? Marc

                                    Thyme In The Country

                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                    Michael A Barnhart
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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    Isn't anything that communicates between an application and a "service", via some defined interface using some defined protocol, an SOA?

                                    I would say no. I do say NO :) Generally SOA compliant implementations are those that expose business functions (not programming functions) as reusable entities. So a study of the core business processes is the first step. Then you define core required capabilities as services with the request and response messages needed to supply the business needs. Lastly you implement with your chosen solution based on those requirements.

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                                    • C Chris Meech

                                      :confused: :confused:

                                      Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Nobody likes jerks. [espeir] Hey, I am part of a special bread, we are called smart people [Captain See Sharp] The zen of the soapbox is hard to attain...[Jörgen Sigvardsson] I wish I could remember what it was like to only have a short term memory.[David Kentley]

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                                      In Dutch it means: Sexual Transmittable Disease... you might consider use of condoms to keep it safe.... ;) tra

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                                      • C Chris Meech

                                        :confused: :confused:

                                        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Nobody likes jerks. [espeir] Hey, I am part of a special bread, we are called smart people [Captain See Sharp] The zen of the soapbox is hard to attain...[Jörgen Sigvardsson] I wish I could remember what it was like to only have a short term memory.[David Kentley]

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                                        mfhobbs
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                                        Slow Oriented Architecture :zzz:

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                                        • R Raj Lal

                                          Myths about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) 1. SOA is a technology 2. SOAs require Web Services 3. SOA is new and revolutionary 4. SOA ensures the alignment of IT and business 5. A SOA Reference Architecture reduces implementation risk 6. SOA requires a complete technology and business processes overhaul 7. SOA requires an army of consultants 8. We need to build a SOA Facts 1. SOA is a design philosophy independent of any product, technology or industry trend 2. SOAs may be realized via web services but using web services will not necessarily result in a SOA 3. EDI, CORBA and DCOM were conceptual examples of SO 4. SOA is not a methodology 5. SOAs are like snowflakes – no two are the same. 6. SOA should be incremental and built on your current investments 7. Tools, not consultants 8. SOA is a means, not an end Deliver a solution, not a SOA This was somewhat an eye opener to me , since in my company , there had been a lot of discussion of creating a service oriented archtecture * by John Evdemon Architect, Architecture Strategy Microsoft

                                          Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


                                          Web based Project Management
                                          Universal DBA | Ajax Rating | ExplorerTree | Globalization in 20 minutes

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                                          micmanos
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                                          This reminds me of a small article i once wrote trying to make my boss (one of many i had) understand that ?.R.P is not a program but a procedure and that implementing such a software to a production is devastating if you expect the lifeless bunch of ones and zeros to magically put order into the chaos. Anyway, my conclusion is that ignorant people (all non IT related managers included) will always think that any acronym with words that imply organization, planning, decision refer to magic tools that do the job by themselves whether they're software or not. I still get a kick of listenning people with grease in their hands and a wrench in their back pocket talk about software and Information organization philosophies. PS: I quit from that company shortly after ... and recently found that the '?.R.P' software was uninstalled !!!

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