Republicans prefer Satan
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Feel free to provide links that completely negate my findings, and prove that "the problem is almost strictly on the Democrat's side".
Rude Stateless (aka espier) has nothing to back up his supposition and conjecture except his own simple mind, so don't hold your breath.
Here's a very well-documented report[^] from a non-partisan group discouraging dubious election practices.
ACVR Legislative Fund further found that, despite their heated rhetoric, paid
Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression
activities than were their Republican counterparts during the 2004 presidential
election. Whether it was slashing tires on GOP get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee or
court orders stopping the DNC from intimidating Republican volunteers in Florida,
the evidence presented in this report shows that paid Democrat operatives were
responsible for using the same tactics in 2004 that they routinely accuse
Republicans of engaging in.It outlines uncovered fraud and intimidation in the last election on both sides of the aisle, but makes it clear that Democrats and those paid by them far exceeded Republicans in terms of questionable practices while also spewing far more rhetoric accusing Republicans of these practices. Democrats have done this for literally decades, too.
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Red Stateler wrote:
What does Watergate have to do with anything?
Thank you for proving my point.
led mike
That you have no idea what you're talking about?[^] You're welcome.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I have no doubt that it true. Since you believe the Democratic party is an evil force bent on destroying the world and the republicans are peace-loving defenders of Mom and apple pie, the choice for you is simple. And any criticism is nothing more than Orwellian Marxist double-speak, so you are safe. Your absolutism and inability to see opposing views as anything other that monstrously evil fits well with the thinking of fundamental ayatollahs everywhere.
More Orwellian Marxist double-speak. I certainly do not believe that "republicans are peace-loving defenders of Mom and apple pie", but at the very least they are what they have always been. The democratic party, on the other hand, is simply no longer recognizable as an American political party. There is absolutely nothing in their political agenda which is in even the slightest way representative of the system of government this nation was supposed to have. They have committed their existence to the deconstruction of American social and economic principles in favor of those of European Marxists.
Thank God for disproportional force.
You prove my point. You don't like what someone says, well its just Orwellian Marxist double-speak. X|
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oilFactotum wrote:
For someone who professes to love liberty and Jeffersonian democracy it's curious how you support every restriction on liberty and every anti-democratic act that the republicans do. Your not interested in democracy, your interested in imposing your ideas on others by whatever means necessary. You have more in common with the Ayatollahs than with democracy
Because that is not my perception of the situation. The left in our society, as empowered by the democratic party, has inflicted far more damage upon the Jeffersonian principles our society was founded upon than the right, as empowered by the Republican party, has ever even come close to doing. In fact, the current criticism of the Republicans from the left represents little more than Orwellian Marxist double-speak. You could not mention a single real instance of the current administration, or repbublicans in general, restricting any liberty or commiting any anti-democratic act, as they are defined within the context of our political system, but I could mention many that the democrats have been responsible for. The left has no love of Jeffersonian democracy. Their goal is to turn the US into a European Social Welfare state.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, the current criticism of the Republicans from the left represents little more than Orwellian Marxist double-speak.
You mean double-speak like the Republican platform of Religious Intolerance and Family Values being lead by Gay Pedophile Congressmen and Married Gay Evangelical Christians. :laugh: :laugh: And now for the weather report. Wednesdays forecast is gloomy with continual hypocrisy and high winds due to the amount of "hot air".
led mike
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
See the fight in Georgia (and elsewhere) to stop a requirement for valid photo IDs.
The photo id scam is just a republican attempt to disenfranchise the poor.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
purging voter rolls of the dead and relocated.
Oh, yeah, the way the republicans purged legally registered Democratic votes from the rolls in Florida.
oilFactotum wrote:
The photo id scam is just a republican attempt to disenfranchise the poor.
Really? Then why did Georgia Democrats protest when the state offered free ID cards?
oilFactotum wrote:
Oh, yeah, the way the republicans purged legally registered Democratic votes from the rolls in Florida.
Dead people are legally registered to vote?
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led mike wrote:
See both parties refuse to implement campaign finance reform
the thread has to do with fraud.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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led mike wrote:
See both parties refuse to implement campaign finance reform
the thread has to do with fraud.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
"Why do the Democrats fight against laws that would deter fraud."
You don't think selling your congressional power for campaign funds qualifies as fraud? :wtf:
led mike
led mike wrote:
You don't think selling your congressional power for campaign funds qualifies as fraud?
the last guy who did it is now doing time, what is your point? oh, unless you mean Murphy of PA and ABSCAM - he's still in Congress and still a breying jackass. of course you could mean Jefferson of the $100k freezer packet of course you could mean Alcace Hastings the defrocked (by a Democrat Congress) federal judge who could be poised to chair a committee. Nah - you couldn't be talking about any of those guys.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, the current criticism of the Republicans from the left represents little more than Orwellian Marxist double-speak.
You mean double-speak like the Republican platform of Religious Intolerance and Family Values being lead by Gay Pedophile Congressmen and Married Gay Evangelical Christians. :laugh: :laugh: And now for the weather report. Wednesdays forecast is gloomy with continual hypocrisy and high winds due to the amount of "hot air".
led mike
Both of those guys were removed from their positions, indicating no hypocrisy, whereas leftists generally promote and reelect similar people.
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Here's a very well-documented report[^] from a non-partisan group discouraging dubious election practices.
ACVR Legislative Fund further found that, despite their heated rhetoric, paid
Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression
activities than were their Republican counterparts during the 2004 presidential
election. Whether it was slashing tires on GOP get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee or
court orders stopping the DNC from intimidating Republican volunteers in Florida,
the evidence presented in this report shows that paid Democrat operatives were
responsible for using the same tactics in 2004 that they routinely accuse
Republicans of engaging in.It outlines uncovered fraud and intimidation in the last election on both sides of the aisle, but makes it clear that Democrats and those paid by them far exceeded Republicans in terms of questionable practices while also spewing far more rhetoric accusing Republicans of these practices. Democrats have done this for literally decades, too.
ACVR - Chaired by Brian Lunde a Bush operative and lobbyist to the dictator of the Congo. Quite non-partisan.:rolleyes:
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You prove my point. You don't like what someone says, well its just Orwellian Marxist double-speak. X|
oilFactotum wrote:
You don't like what someone says
No, you prove my point. Somehow there is something more significant about me disagreeing with you, than there is with you disagreeing with me. That is most certainly Orwellian Marxist double-speak - leftist ideas are inherently more valid and significant than are conservative ones.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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ACVR - Chaired by Brian Lunde a Bush operative and lobbyist to the dictator of the Congo. Quite non-partisan.:rolleyes:
Are you that retarded?
Brian Lunde has three decades of political campaign and grassroots organizing
experience at the national, state and local levels. He has served as Executive
Director of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as campaign manager for the
Presidential bid of the late Senator Paul Simon, and as director of two winning
campaigns for the DNC Chairmanship (Chuck Manatt in 1981 and Paul Kirk in 1985). He
was also nominated for Campaign Manager of the Year in 1990 for his work in Rhode
Island by the American Association of Political Consultants.He's a lifelong Democrat who, like Zell Miller, endorsed Bush. Obviously in your world nobody has any credibility unless they have a giant Stalin statue in their living room. The case is closed. Give it up.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, the current criticism of the Republicans from the left represents little more than Orwellian Marxist double-speak.
You mean double-speak like the Republican platform of Religious Intolerance and Family Values being lead by Gay Pedophile Congressmen and Married Gay Evangelical Christians. :laugh: :laugh: And now for the weather report. Wednesdays forecast is gloomy with continual hypocrisy and high winds due to the amount of "hot air".
led mike
led mike wrote:
You mean double-speak like the Republican platform of Religious Intolerance and Family Values being lead by Gay Pedophile Congressmen and Married Gay Evangelical Christians.
Precisely. The fact that these guys professed values means that they could be held accountable for violating those values, and were. Your solution, and that of the left in general, to that 'problem' is to prefer individuals who do not profess such values. Good plan.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Are you that retarded?
Brian Lunde has three decades of political campaign and grassroots organizing
experience at the national, state and local levels. He has served as Executive
Director of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as campaign manager for the
Presidential bid of the late Senator Paul Simon, and as director of two winning
campaigns for the DNC Chairmanship (Chuck Manatt in 1981 and Paul Kirk in 1985). He
was also nominated for Campaign Manager of the Year in 1990 for his work in Rhode
Island by the American Association of Political Consultants.He's a lifelong Democrat who, like Zell Miller, endorsed Bush. Obviously in your world nobody has any credibility unless they have a giant Stalin statue in their living room. The case is closed. Give it up.
Already name calling. That didn't take long. "According to Senate lobbying registrations, in 2001 Lunde registered to lobby for George Birnbaum, an associate of Republican consultant and mudthrower Arthur Finkelstein. According to his disclosure filed with the Secretary of the Senate, Lunde worked to "set up meetings for President Kabila of Congo." "The American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR) recently presented RNC chairman Ken Mehlman with a report claiming that Democrats had practiced voter fraud and intimidation during the 2004 election. Their findings would be troubling, except for the fact that they are a GOP front group whose officers are all partisan Republicans. In fact, Jim Dyke, the organization's spokesman, was the RNC's communications director during the 2004 elections, where he defended a RNC funded group that was caught tearing up Democratic voter registration forms. ACVR's counsel ran against former Democratic Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, and its Chairman was an associate of Washington super lobbyist, Jack Abramoff. They're not exactly the non-partisan organization they claim to be." non-partisan, hardly.
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oilFactotum wrote:
You don't like what someone says
No, you prove my point. Somehow there is something more significant about me disagreeing with you, than there is with you disagreeing with me. That is most certainly Orwellian Marxist double-speak - leftist ideas are inherently more valid and significant than are conservative ones.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Somehow there is something more significant about me disagreeing with you
Not at all. The difference is I disagree with you and call you absolutist. You disagree with me and call everyone Marxists.
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Already name calling. That didn't take long. "According to Senate lobbying registrations, in 2001 Lunde registered to lobby for George Birnbaum, an associate of Republican consultant and mudthrower Arthur Finkelstein. According to his disclosure filed with the Secretary of the Senate, Lunde worked to "set up meetings for President Kabila of Congo." "The American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR) recently presented RNC chairman Ken Mehlman with a report claiming that Democrats had practiced voter fraud and intimidation during the 2004 election. Their findings would be troubling, except for the fact that they are a GOP front group whose officers are all partisan Republicans. In fact, Jim Dyke, the organization's spokesman, was the RNC's communications director during the 2004 elections, where he defended a RNC funded group that was caught tearing up Democratic voter registration forms. ACVR's counsel ran against former Democratic Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, and its Chairman was an associate of Washington super lobbyist, Jack Abramoff. They're not exactly the non-partisan organization they claim to be." non-partisan, hardly.
I'll say it again...Are you that retarded? He's a lifelong Democrat. You can try and paint him as a Republican frontman all you want...except for the fact that he's a lifelong Democrat and, with the exception of Bush, has always campaigned for Democrats. You're really very, very sad to go to such extremes merely to justify your false beliefs to yourself. So once again, the case is closed. Give up.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Thanks for the expected daily dose of partisan crap.
No problem. I'm always happy to expose the bad news. It's a shame that a old partisan hack like yourself can't be "fair and balanced" when it comes to replying to other partisan posts on this board. Your response to "God prefers Republicans" is quite telling. :mad:
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. - Friedrich Nietzsche
Right "I'm hoping he prefers Libertarians this election (I know, fat chance...)." was terribly partisan.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
partisan hack like yourself
The only partisan hack in this conversation is yourself. Obviously you believe that only Democrats deserve votes this election. I disagree. Both major parties fail to offer reasonable alternatives, so I chose a third party. Stuff your partisan crap where the sun doesn't shine.
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I'll say it again...Are you that retarded? He's a lifelong Democrat. You can try and paint him as a Republican frontman all you want...except for the fact that he's a lifelong Democrat and, with the exception of Bush, has always campaigned for Democrats. You're really very, very sad to go to such extremes merely to justify your false beliefs to yourself. So once again, the case is closed. Give up.
Again with the name calling. You said it was a non partisan group - it is not. Loaded with republicans. Give it up. Case closed.
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Again with the name calling. You said it was a non partisan group - it is not. Loaded with republicans. Give it up. Case closed.
Do shiny object fascinate you?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Somehow there is something more significant about me disagreeing with you
Not at all. The difference is I disagree with you and call you absolutist. You disagree with me and call everyone Marxists.
I believe he called leftists Marxists. Sure it's the leftist dream to have everyone be a Marxist, but you haven't achieved that dream, so it's only wishful thinking on your part.