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    A man with a plan
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    Businesses will all ways say there is a shortage they want to pay the same for a developer as they do for a call centre person. We should all work for the love of what we do if we are employees. Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity. You want Senior developers, architects, technical leads you have got to pay for the years of experience as in any profession. Typically in Aus for example businesses lobby government to let in skilled foreign IT graduates many who study here. Meanwhile the Aus tax payer pays for homwgrown graduates to do science and arts degrees that are of no use. The foreigners come in work cheap I have some on staff myself. If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT. But the Universities in Aus make a lot of money out of foreign students paying to study (hoping also to get a work visa). Also pass many of them although there english is so poor they are unemployable here.

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      Businesses will all ways say there is a shortage they want to pay the same for a developer as they do for a call centre person. We should all work for the love of what we do if we are employees. Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity. You want Senior developers, architects, technical leads you have got to pay for the years of experience as in any profession. Typically in Aus for example businesses lobby government to let in skilled foreign IT graduates many who study here. Meanwhile the Aus tax payer pays for homwgrown graduates to do science and arts degrees that are of no use. The foreigners come in work cheap I have some on staff myself. If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT. But the Universities in Aus make a lot of money out of foreign students paying to study (hoping also to get a work visa). Also pass many of them although there english is so poor they are unemployable here.

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      Dejan Petrovic
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      Australian goverment is dead serious about these issues. It's just that their plans are slightly different than yours. Kind regards, Dejan Petrovic

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        Australian goverment is dead serious about these issues. It's just that their plans are slightly different than yours. Kind regards, Dejan Petrovic

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        A man with a plan
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        What are the govn's plans. These issues have been the same since the 70's same now been through a few government's. My plans work earn money pay bills

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          Businesses will all ways say there is a shortage they want to pay the same for a developer as they do for a call centre person. We should all work for the love of what we do if we are employees. Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity. You want Senior developers, architects, technical leads you have got to pay for the years of experience as in any profession. Typically in Aus for example businesses lobby government to let in skilled foreign IT graduates many who study here. Meanwhile the Aus tax payer pays for homwgrown graduates to do science and arts degrees that are of no use. The foreigners come in work cheap I have some on staff myself. If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT. But the Universities in Aus make a lot of money out of foreign students paying to study (hoping also to get a work visa). Also pass many of them although there english is so poor they are unemployable here.

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          Ryan Binns
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          A man with a plan wrote:

          If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT.

          Force people to work in jobs they don't want to do? Yeah, that would go down real well. The words "political suicide" spring to mind...

          Ryan

          "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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            A man with a plan wrote:

            If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT.

            Force people to work in jobs they don't want to do? Yeah, that would go down real well. The words "political suicide" spring to mind...

            Ryan

            "Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"

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            necessity dictates what job you do.

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              Businesses will all ways say there is a shortage they want to pay the same for a developer as they do for a call centre person. We should all work for the love of what we do if we are employees. Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity. You want Senior developers, architects, technical leads you have got to pay for the years of experience as in any profession. Typically in Aus for example businesses lobby government to let in skilled foreign IT graduates many who study here. Meanwhile the Aus tax payer pays for homwgrown graduates to do science and arts degrees that are of no use. The foreigners come in work cheap I have some on staff myself. If the Aus gov for example was serious about doing something about it they would get rid of the wanky degrees and make people train for IT. But the Universities in Aus make a lot of money out of foreign students paying to study (hoping also to get a work visa). Also pass many of them although there english is so poor they are unemployable here.

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              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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              I hate to argue ( ok I lied, I love to argue) but this statement is false:

              A man with a plan wrote:

              Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity.


              On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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                I hate to argue ( ok I lied, I love to argue) but this statement is false:

                A man with a plan wrote:

                Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity.


                On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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                A man with a plan
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                Any business with capable employees can train other employees, if said employee refuses to learn or can't thats what IR laws are for its a hard world

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  I hate to argue ( ok I lied, I love to argue) but this statement is false:

                  A man with a plan wrote:

                  Truth is any one capable of attaining a universtiy degree is capable of programming given a little training and opportunity.


                  On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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                  Rocky Moore
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                  I will agree with you on that! Some people are just not designed for software development. I have known people with degrees that cannot handle the simple programming logic flow of today's languages. Personally, I think they just do not want to learn, but do not know for sure.

                  Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Enviromission - Solar power of the future?

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