Arguments Against DRM
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I think DRM can offer a few features to users. One idea is a user buys the DRM for a song and then is allowed to download it or stream it from a variety of hosts from wherever they are. A user would have a store of their DRM purchases which any provider can access before allowing the download/stream. The user doesn't have to store the song online or cart it around with them (obviously they would have their own local copy of the song for when they are at their desktop.)
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eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
One idea is a user buys the DRM for a song and then is allowed to download it or stream it from a variety of hosts from wherever they are.
You mean... like a file server on The Internet? :rolleyes: The only reason we need something special for this particular use is the desire of content owners to limit who gets access to it. This isn't giving something extra to users who pay, it's keeping something average away from users who don't.
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The Top 10 Arguments Against DRM[^] I dislike DRM, but appears a necessary bad... Probably some good idea about a new kind of DRM can shake all the web, and cause a big "boom", because maybe the same kind of DRM used for music can be used all kind of media (softwares too). The creator of a new kind of DRM can be the next WeBillionaire ;) The basic idea is what all customers wish pay a fair price by some music, but not to be bothered with "no copy there" or "not use there".
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Yep, DRM is here to stay, as long as their is commerical music/video sales, there will be some form of DRM. If people spent more time working one decent solutions than whining about it, maybe the technology would only offend pirates :) I personally do not have much against DRM other than the limitations of where and when I use a media, but we will all probably be on a subscriptions service for movies and music in the future and can use as much as we like as long as we pay the subscription fees.
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Paul Watson wrote:
One idea is a user buys the DRM for a song and then is allowed to download it or stream it from a variety of hosts from wherever they are.
You mean... like a file server on The Internet? :rolleyes: The only reason we need something special for this particular use is the desire of content owners to limit who gets access to it. This isn't giving something extra to users who pay, it's keeping something average away from users who don't.
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
Yes but how do you tell that file server (one that you don't own) that you have rights to a song? With DRM. You can all sit there thinking of the dastardly side of DRM or you can get up and start building useful services off of it. All it is is "Person X has Y rights to song C" and we can make use of that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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The Top 10 Arguments Against DRM[^] I dislike DRM, but appears a necessary bad... Probably some good idea about a new kind of DRM can shake all the web, and cause a big "boom", because maybe the same kind of DRM used for music can be used all kind of media (softwares too). The creator of a new kind of DRM can be the next WeBillionaire ;) The basic idea is what all customers wish pay a fair price by some music, but not to be bothered with "no copy there" or "not use there".
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
I think DRM in its current incarnation is working perfectly. If I don't buy new music or movies then that's one less potential pirate. It's flawless logic.
Todd Smith
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Yes but how do you tell that file server (one that you don't own) that you have rights to a song? With DRM. You can all sit there thinking of the dastardly side of DRM or you can get up and start building useful services off of it. All it is is "Person X has Y rights to song C" and we can make use of that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
Yes but how do you tell that file server (one that you don't own) that you have rights to a song? With DRM.
Ok, i see what you're getting at. Lacking DRM, such a fileserver wouldn't be set up, because the song owners wouldn't stand for it. So because of DRM, the users have access to a service they otherwise wouldn't. But really, it's still the content owners - not DRM - that either enable or disable access to their content. Saying that without DRM, no one would be able to download music is akin to saying that bookstores wouldn't exist without those RFID tags hidden in each book... yet, it doesn't take too long to realize that bookstores existed and operated long before such theft-detection technology existed, and online music distribution existed prior to DRM. And while RFID tags may slightly reduce the price of books, i doubt it's by much. In both cases, the technology works to benefit the seller by quieting their fears of loss - the only difference with digital music is the ease of unauthorized access, and the resulting paranoia.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Yes but how do you tell that file server (one that you don't own) that you have rights to a song? With DRM.
Ok, i see what you're getting at. Lacking DRM, such a fileserver wouldn't be set up, because the song owners wouldn't stand for it. So because of DRM, the users have access to a service they otherwise wouldn't. But really, it's still the content owners - not DRM - that either enable or disable access to their content. Saying that without DRM, no one would be able to download music is akin to saying that bookstores wouldn't exist without those RFID tags hidden in each book... yet, it doesn't take too long to realize that bookstores existed and operated long before such theft-detection technology existed, and online music distribution existed prior to DRM. And while RFID tags may slightly reduce the price of books, i doubt it's by much. In both cases, the technology works to benefit the seller by quieting their fears of loss - the only difference with digital music is the ease of unauthorized access, and the resulting paranoia.
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
Oh god no, I am not saying we need DRM to download music. Plenty of other ways of making money from music without DRM (and at the end of the day "making money" is all that matters. It's not about protecting artistic rights, its about making sure you get every single cent you can from the lemon.) But if you switch to books then a DRM system would allow me to buy that book in a store in New York, leave it on a bus and then go into a store in London and get a new copy at a minimal fee (printing costs say) by providing my DRM backed proof that I had bought that book. I think the Rights Management in DRM can work for the consumer if we build the systems around it and work at the fears of the archaic copyright owners.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Oh god no, I am not saying we need DRM to download music. Plenty of other ways of making money from music without DRM (and at the end of the day "making money" is all that matters. It's not about protecting artistic rights, its about making sure you get every single cent you can from the lemon.) But if you switch to books then a DRM system would allow me to buy that book in a store in New York, leave it on a bus and then go into a store in London and get a new copy at a minimal fee (printing costs say) by providing my DRM backed proof that I had bought that book. I think the Rights Management in DRM can work for the consumer if we build the systems around it and work at the fears of the archaic copyright owners.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
But if you switch to books then a DRM system would allow me to buy that book in a store in New York, leave it on a bus and then go into a store in London and get a new copy at a minimal fee (printing costs say) by providing my DRM backed proof that I had bought that book.
So your idea is that when i bought a CD, that purchase would somehow be "attached" to me, such that if the CD broke, or i left it at home, i could just drop by the nearest CD kiosk and get a new one for, say, $.25? Yeah, that would be great. I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless. It'll be rolled out just after Google Drive has become the preferred place to store private files and retrieve them from the ubiquitous free WiFi that blankets most populated areas. Oh, and it'll charge $2.50 a CD (for music you've already purchased), just to prove how completely out of touch it all is. The billions poured into building this unneeded infrastructure will then be reported as "losses due to piracy"...
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
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Paul Watson wrote:
But if you switch to books then a DRM system would allow me to buy that book in a store in New York, leave it on a bus and then go into a store in London and get a new copy at a minimal fee (printing costs say) by providing my DRM backed proof that I had bought that book.
So your idea is that when i bought a CD, that purchase would somehow be "attached" to me, such that if the CD broke, or i left it at home, i could just drop by the nearest CD kiosk and get a new one for, say, $.25? Yeah, that would be great. I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless. It'll be rolled out just after Google Drive has become the preferred place to store private files and retrieve them from the ubiquitous free WiFi that blankets most populated areas. Oh, and it'll charge $2.50 a CD (for music you've already purchased), just to prove how completely out of touch it all is. The billions poured into building this unneeded infrastructure will then be reported as "losses due to piracy"...
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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The Top 10 Arguments Against DRM[^] I dislike DRM, but appears a necessary bad... Probably some good idea about a new kind of DRM can shake all the web, and cause a big "boom", because maybe the same kind of DRM used for music can be used all kind of media (softwares too). The creator of a new kind of DRM can be the next WeBillionaire ;) The basic idea is what all customers wish pay a fair price by some music, but not to be bothered with "no copy there" or "not use there".
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
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Paul Watson wrote:
But if you switch to books then a DRM system would allow me to buy that book in a store in New York, leave it on a bus and then go into a store in London and get a new copy at a minimal fee (printing costs say) by providing my DRM backed proof that I had bought that book.
So your idea is that when i bought a CD, that purchase would somehow be "attached" to me, such that if the CD broke, or i left it at home, i could just drop by the nearest CD kiosk and get a new one for, say, $.25? Yeah, that would be great. I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless. It'll be rolled out just after Google Drive has become the preferred place to store private files and retrieve them from the ubiquitous free WiFi that blankets most populated areas. Oh, and it'll charge $2.50 a CD (for music you've already purchased), just to prove how completely out of touch it all is. The billions poured into building this unneeded infrastructure will then be reported as "losses due to piracy"...
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
Shog9 wrote:
So your idea is that when i bought a CD, that purchase would somehow be "attached" to me, such that if the CD broke, or i left it at home, i could just drop by the nearest CD kiosk and get a new one for, say, $.25?
That sort of use would actually create a bigger piracy problem don't you think? Because lets say I buy the rights to a CD. Once I've bought the rights, if I could go to any store and pick up that CD at the cost of production (or close to it), then what's to stop me from hitting up 10 different stores and buying that CD at the reduced price and then selling them to my buddies for a few bucks a pop so they don't have to go pay full price for the CD? I've just taken that CD, distributed it to 10 people, and probably made a few bucks from it myself. The only way the industry would go for something like that is if they can do away with CDs and go to some sort of protected distribution media... then you're right back at DRM.