Gun Enthusiasts... what to buy?
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You should just get a few cannons. If you periodically shoot them off, people will think you're crazy. You wont have to worry about protecting yourself anymore because the whole neighborhood will be too scared of you to even allow their kids to come and sell you Girl Scout cookies.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
people will think you're crazy
Or you could just wear the same crap Elton John does, that should be enough to keep the kids away. :rolleyes:
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Revolvers are not good for amateurs. The single action makes aiming horrible, unless you're really good at it. If you're fighting for your life, then having to cock the damn thing is way to stressful. Semi-automatic is the way to go...
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???? Aiming a single action revolver is no different than aiming any other gun. Most revolvers purchased today are double action. I think what you are probably referring to is trigger-cocking a double action revolver. Accuracy is affected in that case. Most gun combat occurs within 15-20 feet, so the loss in accuracy shouldn't be that critical. Unless you are plannning to carry a semi-auto in the cocked position, then both types of guns have to be cocked for the first shot...requiring the same amount of time. The advantage for the semi-auto comes in subsequent shots.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
people will think you're crazy
Or you could just wear the same crap Elton John does, that should be enough to keep the kids away. :rolleyes:
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
or dress like Elton John doing his Micheal Jackson impression of Michael Jackson dressed like Siegfried and Roy.
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It's not too different than here. Although AFAIK you can't loose your right to a gun until after you've become a convicted felon. From what I understand though, the laws over here are a teeny bit different (sometimes stupid). If the perp in question enters your domicile you can take his ass down (just be ready to prove it), but if you don't kill him then he can sue you. :doh:
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but if you don't kill him then he can sue you.
That's why you keep shooting until no air bubbles are forming on his perforated chest...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Yeah, sure. You do have to be in a gun owner's club though. And you have to compete and fulfill the bylaws of the club. The authorities may however revoke your license, should they believe that you're not trustworthy of owning a gun. For instance, if I start beating people up, I would probably lose my license. Acquiring a license takes time. It takes at least 6 months. You'll have to join a club, and practice with them. Then, after having performed well enough on proficiency tests, you are allowed to acquire licenses. You need one license per gun. Once you have one license, you are allowed to acquire "borrow licenses" - meaning that you can borrow guns from gun shops and/or friends for testing purposes. There are also laws and regulations for how you are allowed to store the weapons. You must either have a steel box which is bolted to the ground or wall, or a steel box that weighs at least 150 kg (300+ lbs). I am allowed to use my gun for self defense. Although, if the court finds that you could've used other means of defending yourself, you will probably lose your license, and possibly be found guilty of a crime if you've hurt or killed anyone with the gun. For instance, if someone enters your home, and the guy's drunk and not very dangerous, you can knock his ass down on the floor, but shooting him would be over the top. :)
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
but shooting him would be over the top.
You need to move to Texas. You wouldn't be the only crazed gun-toting Swede in town. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
???? Aiming a single action revolver is no different than aiming any other gun. Most revolvers purchased today are double action. I think what you are probably referring to is trigger-cocking a double action revolver. Accuracy is affected in that case. Most gun combat occurs within 15-20 feet, so the loss in accuracy shouldn't be that critical. Unless you are plannning to carry a semi-auto in the cocked position, then both types of guns have to be cocked for the first shot...requiring the same amount of time. The advantage for the semi-auto comes in subsequent shots.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
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With single action I mean where you let the trigger lift the hammer. Of course, I always mix single and double action up. :doh: I of course meant double action (which allows you to either cock the hammer or lift the hammer with the trigger movement). I always think of single action as "you do one thing to fire the shot, and that is to pull the trigger", and double action as "you do two things to fire the shot, and that is to cock the hammer, and then pull the trigger". I know that it is wrong, but I just can't get it out of my head. Having to lift the hammer (and rotate the drum) often requires quite a lot of force, compared to firing a revolver in double action mode or a cocked semi-automatic gun. The more force you have to apply on the trigger, the wobblier the aim is. Especially so if you're a beginner.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Unless you are plannning to carry a semi-auto in the cocked position, then both types of guns have to be cocked for the first shot...requiring the same amount of time. The advantage for the semi-auto comes in subsequent shots.
Indeed. But I was under the impression that she wanted to use the gun in her home. If that is the case, it's fairly safe to store it cocked (might be a good idea to have the safety switch on though!).
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
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With single action I mean where you let the trigger lift the hammer. Of course, I always mix single and double action up. :doh: I of course meant double action (which allows you to either cock the hammer or lift the hammer with the trigger movement). I always think of single action as "you do one thing to fire the shot, and that is to pull the trigger", and double action as "you do two things to fire the shot, and that is to cock the hammer, and then pull the trigger". I know that it is wrong, but I just can't get it out of my head. Having to lift the hammer (and rotate the drum) often requires quite a lot of force, compared to firing a revolver in double action mode or a cocked semi-automatic gun. The more force you have to apply on the trigger, the wobblier the aim is. Especially so if you're a beginner.
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Unless you are plannning to carry a semi-auto in the cocked position, then both types of guns have to be cocked for the first shot...requiring the same amount of time. The advantage for the semi-auto comes in subsequent shots.
Indeed. But I was under the impression that she wanted to use the gun in her home. If that is the case, it's fairly safe to store it cocked (might be a good idea to have the safety switch on though!).
-- Bender's humor by Microsoft Joke
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
which allows you to either c*** the hammer or lift the hammer with the trigger movement
Hmmm. We need the obscene word filter to be context sensitive. :rolleyes: Marc
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
which allows you to either c*** the hammer or lift the hammer with the trigger movement
Hmmm. We need the obscene word filter to be context sensitive. :rolleyes: Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith:laugh: yes!
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I'm not interested in discussing my reasons for this, but a friend and former Navy SEAL told me to get this (Beretta 92FS): http://www.ozarkguns.com/Beretta/Pistols/beretta92.htm[^] They are familiar with my shooting ability and thought this would be the best choice for me because of safety reasons and ease of use. I have never owned a handgun before, but I have owned rifles and shotguns. So, if you own this gun, what do you like about it and what don't you like. If you prefer another type, tell me why. I am not interested in target shooting or any of that, I just want to be able to protect myself within my house, which is maybe 30 yards max. I would like to know if anyone is in the Denver area, if you know of a good place to train, where I can have someone show me the basics, how to make sure it shoots properly (disassembly and cleaning), how to make sure it doesn't shoot when it's not supposed to, how to aim and fire with good accuracy. I want personal training, not simply a firing range which I could do on my own - if you know of a place like that, let me know. There are many issues with this, but I don't want to discuss any gun rights or any of that. Please stick to the technical/user interface issues. One "UI" issue I had with my friend's "government-issue" Beretta was that it's kind of heavy. Much heavier than I expected (the specs said 2.5lbs, but feels like more). Talk to me about things like that. Internet searches for this information turned up a lot of crap that wasn't very useful... also, I don't trust the person selling things to necessarily give me the correct information if it's going to affect the sale. I want to be informed before I ask a salesperson anything.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps!Me think that unless you carry your gun with you all the time in your house (or anywhere else ) , owning one, properly stored away from children, and the bullets stored somewhere else (*) a gun, any gun will be useless. I assume that proper storage of guns means having it under lock unloaded and the bullets stored somewhere else.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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We have a problem with hme invasions, so... I have a Browning 9mm in a home-made couch holster with nine in the mag and one in the pipe 24/7, and my wife has a S&W Model 637 .38 revolver (the Airweights are nice, but kinda pricey). Both of us have a c/c license. For longer range stuff, I have a Model 700 Remington with a fluted barrel and chambered for .308 with what I call "reach-out-and-touch-someone" optics - and I'm good out to about 300 yards - nobody gets away. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I have a Browning 9mm in a home-made couch holster with nine in the mag and one in the pipe 24/7
you must drive the Austin hippies stark raving mad.
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Me think that unless you carry your gun with you all the time in your house (or anywhere else ) , owning one, properly stored away from children, and the bullets stored somewhere else (*) a gun, any gun will be useless. I assume that proper storage of guns means having it under lock unloaded and the bullets stored somewhere else.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Maximilien wrote:
I assume that proper storage of guns means having it under lock unloaded and the bullets stored somewhere else.
Most intended for self-defense are loaded or at least right next to bullets; otherwise, what's the point. It's not always the case with hunting rifles, although a lot of gun cabinets have compartments for bullets too, so a lot of times it's the same way.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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I'm not interested in discussing my reasons for this, but a friend and former Navy SEAL told me to get this (Beretta 92FS): http://www.ozarkguns.com/Beretta/Pistols/beretta92.htm[^] They are familiar with my shooting ability and thought this would be the best choice for me because of safety reasons and ease of use. I have never owned a handgun before, but I have owned rifles and shotguns. So, if you own this gun, what do you like about it and what don't you like. If you prefer another type, tell me why. I am not interested in target shooting or any of that, I just want to be able to protect myself within my house, which is maybe 30 yards max. I would like to know if anyone is in the Denver area, if you know of a good place to train, where I can have someone show me the basics, how to make sure it shoots properly (disassembly and cleaning), how to make sure it doesn't shoot when it's not supposed to, how to aim and fire with good accuracy. I want personal training, not simply a firing range which I could do on my own - if you know of a place like that, let me know. There are many issues with this, but I don't want to discuss any gun rights or any of that. Please stick to the technical/user interface issues. One "UI" issue I had with my friend's "government-issue" Beretta was that it's kind of heavy. Much heavier than I expected (the specs said 2.5lbs, but feels like more). Talk to me about things like that. Internet searches for this information turned up a lot of crap that wasn't very useful... also, I don't trust the person selling things to necessarily give me the correct information if it's going to affect the sale. I want to be informed before I ask a salesperson anything.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps! -
I think its a shame that you feel the need to do this.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I think its a shame that you feel the need to do this.
I think it's a shame people feel the need to kill people over $20. I don't think it's a shame people want to defend themselves against said people.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Josh Gray wrote:
I think its a shame that you feel the need to do this.
I think it's a shame people feel the need to kill people over $20. I don't think it's a shame people want to defend themselves against said people.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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That's the kind of thing I don't really want to discuss. There is no specific threat. I'm just a single girl living by myself, and I can't weild a baseball bat like I used to.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for (freeware) JazzySiteMaps, a simple application to generate .Net and Google-style sitemaps!I was just wanting to offer the opinion that some sort of early warning might be more valuable than having the perfect weapon in a "general protection" situation which you now indicate. I don't know what type would be best for you but I mean like a dog or whatever. If you have 3 to 10 extra seconds to move then for home protection I would stick with a shotgun unless you have specific reason to believe you can hit a moving target with a hand gun. If you do consider a dog I would suggest a German Shepard since you live in Denver. Their long hair would be a good climate fit. Also if you train them as an attack dog they can provide you with extra time since the invader will have to deal with them first while you arm yourself. Also just having a dog will eliminate you from a criminals target list built if they case the neighborhood.
led mike
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't think it's a shame people want to defend themselves against said people.
I think its a shame people feel the need to keep a gun to feel safe.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I think its a shame people feel the need to keep a gun to feel safe.
No more shameful than people feeling the need to live next to a cop, taking a martial art for self-defense reasons only, etc.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Josh Gray wrote:
I think its a shame people feel the need to keep a gun to feel safe.
No more shameful than people feeling the need to live next to a cop, taking a martial art for self-defense reasons only, etc.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No more shameful
You're putting words in my mouth. I said its a shame, meaning its sad to think that she feels the need to do this. I did not mean to imply that doing so is shameful.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No more shameful than people feeling the need to live next to a cop, taking a martial art for self-defense reasons only, etc.
There is a big difference. A crimal can steal your gun and use it to kill someone, a child visiting your house may get access to that weapon with disasterous results, a pissed off lover can shove it up your arse and kill you etc etc etc
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No more shameful
You're putting words in my mouth. I said its a shame, meaning its sad to think that she feels the need to do this. I did not mean to imply that doing so is shameful.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No more shameful than people feeling the need to live next to a cop, taking a martial art for self-defense reasons only, etc.
There is a big difference. A crimal can steal your gun and use it to kill someone, a child visiting your house may get access to that weapon with disasterous results, a pissed off lover can shove it up your arse and kill you etc etc etc
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Josh Gray wrote:
You're putting words in my mouth.
You're making stuff up. I didn't say you said anything now did I?
Josh Gray wrote:
I said its a shame, meaning its sad to think that she feels the need to do this. I did not mean to imply that doing so is shameful.
No duh really?
Josh Gray wrote:
There is a big difference.
It's called bias, and I'll prove it...
Josh Gray wrote:
A crimal can steal your gun and use it to kill someone, a child visiting your house may get access to that weapon with disasterous results
So can a baseball bat. To tell me which do you feel more strongly against keeping as a means of self-defense? Come on, be honest.
Josh Gray wrote:
a pissed off lover can shove it up your arse and kill you etc etc etc
We don't need to hear about your private life. ;P
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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Josh Gray wrote:
You're putting words in my mouth.
You're making stuff up. I didn't say you said anything now did I?
Josh Gray wrote:
I said its a shame, meaning its sad to think that she feels the need to do this. I did not mean to imply that doing so is shameful.
No duh really?
Josh Gray wrote:
There is a big difference.
It's called bias, and I'll prove it...
Josh Gray wrote:
A crimal can steal your gun and use it to kill someone, a child visiting your house may get access to that weapon with disasterous results
So can a baseball bat. To tell me which do you feel more strongly against keeping as a means of self-defense? Come on, be honest.
Josh Gray wrote:
a pissed off lover can shove it up your arse and kill you etc etc etc
We don't need to hear about your private life. ;P
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're making stuff up. I didn't say you said anything now did I?
Bullshit. You are changing the meaning of what I said to imply that I was making a personal judgement about the original poster. This is not the case. I used the word shame, you quoted me and replied using the word shameful. I never said it was shameful.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No duh really?
So you agree with my point then? Doesnt that make the rest of this conversation meaningless? I think you should go back and vote me a five
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So can a baseball bat. To tell me which to feel more strongly against keeping as a means of self-defense? Come on, be honest.
There is a big difference between a baseball bat and a gun. Dont ask me to explain it cause its fucking obvious. My point is it is sad that people live in a society where they feel threatened to the point where they want to keep a gun in the house. I dont understand what that is like beacuse I have never been in a situation where I feel that way. Similarly I doubt you would understand my point of view. I've made my point and I dont have any more to say on the subject
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're making stuff up. I didn't say you said anything now did I?
Bullshit. You are changing the meaning of what I said to imply that I was making a personal judgement about the original poster. This is not the case. I used the word shame, you quoted me and replied using the word shameful. I never said it was shameful.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No duh really?
So you agree with my point then? Doesnt that make the rest of this conversation meaningless? I think you should go back and vote me a five
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So can a baseball bat. To tell me which to feel more strongly against keeping as a means of self-defense? Come on, be honest.
There is a big difference between a baseball bat and a gun. Dont ask me to explain it cause its fucking obvious. My point is it is sad that people live in a society where they feel threatened to the point where they want to keep a gun in the house. I dont understand what that is like beacuse I have never been in a situation where I feel that way. Similarly I doubt you would understand my point of view. I've made my point and I dont have any more to say on the subject
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Josh Gray wrote:
bullsh*t. You are changing the meaning of what I said to imply that I was making a personal judgement about the original poster. This is not the case. I used the word shame, you quoted me and replied using the word shameful. I never said it was shameful.
Are you on crack or something? I mean really, where do you pull this stuff up from? You looking to argue? You said it's a shame blah blah blah... I said it's no more shameful than blah blah blah and now out the blue you claim that's me saying you said she's shameful for doing it. Really dude, you have to be looking to argue, I find it impossible to believe someone can have that bad of a comprehension problem.
Josh Gray wrote:
So you agree with my point then? Doesnt that make the rest of this conversation meaningless? I think you should go back and vote me a five
No it doesn't. My point that I brought up is you're just biased against guns.
Josh Gray wrote:
There is a big difference between a baseball bat and a gun. Dont ask me to explain it cause its f****ing obvious.
See what I mean. Nice way to substantiate it. Would you like me to send you a "I'm biased against guns and proud" t-shirt? :rolleyes:
Josh Gray wrote:
My point is it is sad that people live in a society where they feel threatened to the point where they want to keep a gun in the house.
It's just another means of self-defense. I'm sure your society has a few of them too.
Josh Gray wrote:
Similarly I doubt you would understand my point of view.
That's because I try to be fair.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
